Posts by uriah

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Time to Change Soon to Someday

by Undecided in

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friends

i've been reading the publications of the wt society for 55 years and my grandmother many years before that and the term "soon" has lost it's meaning.

it's time to use "someday" in it's place.

if someone says that i will be home soon, and you die of old age before they show up, i would think they had lied to me.

uriah

<P>Yes, i agree with you - your post made me laugh out loud as this is

what my wife and me were discussing.</P> <P>I have long had this 'thing'

about certain words and call them the 'series's'</P> <P>Can anyone add

to these:</P> <P>The 'No More' series - e.g., 'When death will be no

more'</P> <P>The soon series - already mentioned.</P> <P>The 'Ever'

series e.g. 'Will everyone ever love oneanother?'</P> <P>The 'Can I'

series - 'Can I worship God in my own way'</P> <P>Have you noticed that

these all have the same format.</P> <P>e.g. When death will be no

more:</P> <P>Few para about death and what it is</P> <P>A few paras

about examples and the effects on families etc</P> <P>Maybe a graph or

 to</P> <P>Some quotes or mis-quotes</P> <P>Then ; -quell

surpries!!! the answer to it all - yep, the Kingdom.</P> <P>You can

use that formulae on any subject - and they do -just fill in the blanks.

 It is so predicatable</P> <P>that I gave up reading those articles

 long ago.</P>

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Edited by - angharad on 12 July 2002 11:54:40

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just attended the sunday of the zealous kingdom proclaimers district convention in manchester, england and during the final talk we had an update on the world situation as it relates to jehovah's witnesses.

the speaker was peter ellis, a member of the london bethel branch committee.. he stated that many had been waiting for armageddon for some years and some have become disappointed that it hasn't yet arrived, and that newer jw's did not seem to have the same degree of faith as some of the old-timers in the faith, hence this was of serious concern.

then he said something along the lines of 1914 being set in stone and that the organization was not going to get any new light on this key doctrine, hence we can be sure that armageddon is very near.. interesting don't you think?

uriah

I remember Peter Ellis. He was our CO way back and a gave a talk at a C.Assmbly about sisters (apparently) cajoling their husbands into buying deep freeze units (DFU's) (freezers to you and me). He explained about the birds in the fields and the lillies (about how they were lookded after, NOT the birds and bees type stuff) etc., and that the C.O. and D.O. don't have DFU's in the backs of their circuit cars and that we should trust in Jehovah and not stock up ready for the great tribulation because to do otherwise was to show a lack of faith. This was pre 1975 (just about, maybe '72ish). Look at us now. Most of what we eat is frozen.

Edited by - uriah on 8 July 2002 10:18:3

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Bill Bowens Hearing.....

by ISP in

.....is ok according to his doctor.. isp

uriah

Why were the candles in bags, surely that is dangerous as the bags would catch fire. Unless they were fire-proof - unlike the JC :)

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This might explain a few things

by bajarama in

i found this on metacrawler.com.

i thought it explained many of my experinces with the witnesses.. .

statement dj601.

uriah

I have to say, despite being 3 x tins of Stella the worst for wear ( yeah, yeah I know 3 x tins and I'm anybodies (except Mrs Miggins from the pie shop (4 tins in her case))), that that was bloody interesting and I have sent it to my equally inebriated and brain damaged chums. No really, I mean it, thank you for posting it and I have printed it out for re-reaDING IN THE LIGHT OF DAY, SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS BUT i CAN'T BE ARSED TO CHANGE THEM.

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Are the WTBS the modern day Pharisees and Saducees

by Leander in

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friends

i've been thinking about this for sometime now and i wanted to know how other people felt about this comparison.

the pharisees were known for hypocrisy and for also promoting traditions of men and other non-bibical teachings.

when we look at the wtbs in light of the actions of the pharisees there are some amazing similarities.

uriah

An interesting post. I have thought this for a long time. The Greatest Man book did not show it up for me. Rather it was/is the manner that the congregation is left to rot. Note a recent KM when the article entitled (gist) 'Become rich in fine works' was presented. Did this Fine works mean showing love, compassion, kindness etc., that is conspicuous by its abscence. NO. It was just another 'DO MORE' in the ministry. I said to an elder - 'what is the point of trying to pull more into the congregation when we are not taking care of those falling off the back of the lorry?' The field service, the meetings and all the other things designed to use up free time are deemed more important then taking care of the congregation. As Jesus said they give the mint and the Dill but not the weightier matters like love. If anyone does (and it is a rare thing) get a Shepherding visit, it generally takes the form of an A4 printed piece of paper taken from the WT-CD with which to beat the vistee over the head with. You haven't been regular at the meetings, take that and that and that. (If any one is not a regular meeting-goer, may I recommend All Bran):).

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Where can I see originals

by uriah in

i have been reading various letter - walter salter, olin moyle etc and wondered if anyone knows if there is a scanned image of the original.

i noticed, when reading the letters, that there were a lot of typo's which led me to think that they may be inaccurate and the like.

like most of us i just want the truth and not someones axe grinding so any pointers would be appreciated.

uriah

I have been reading various letter - walter salter, Olin Moyle etc and wondered if anyone knows if there is a scanned image of the original. I noticed, when reading the letters, that there were a lot of typo's which led me to think that they may be inaccurate and the like. Like most of us I just want the truth and not someones axe grinding so any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks in advance

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Watchtower "Newspeak" Self Defeating

by metatron in

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friends

in our search to understand the true nature of the watchtower,.

it is likely that many of us consulted orwell's "1984".. in that book, one important component of big brother's rule is the.

use of "newspeak".

uriah

This is an interesting post. One thing that crops up again and again, I have found, is that the watchtower is spoken of or about as if it is a thinking and separate entity. You may remember reading such things as e.g., 'the WT of 1 dec 1943 declared....' or 'there was a brilliant flash of light in the wt of 31 dec 1975' and such things. In the mind of the listener there is this non-personal guru type of entitiy that 'pronounces' and it is held in great esteem, almost divorced from the WTBS and becomes the touchstone for all belivers. Some elders in our cong don't believe anything until they see it in the WT first - even common knowledge such as the splitting up of the Org into separate entities.

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Texas......

by closer2fine in

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friends

for xena and billygoat..... when you're from texas, people that you meet ask you questions.

like, do you have any cows?

" it's nice to be able to say yes.. they ask you, "do you have horses?

uriah

Personally I couldn't give a stuff. I am from England where we have History strechting for 100's if not 1000's of years, texas has, what, last week. Sounds like a severe case of inadequacey - yeah I can't spell either

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higher education

by tigerlily in

first post.. i am in college studying engineering.

does anyone else here in college feel like they have to work twice as hard as everyone else in the cong.

to avoid the assumption that higher ed.

uriah

Much sense has been spoken. I did not stay at school because of the Big A coming in 1975. I have no quals but have taught myself. I encouraged my 3 children - all left home now - to get qualified. The meetings and door knocking will not put bread on the table or clothes on your back nor a roof over your head. I think with sadness about missed opportunies that I allowed to pass me by. i am not bitter just sad. There are many who gave up everthing because they thought A was coming - even got a mention in th WT - in 1975, sold their houses etc. What happened to them? That was 25 years plus ago. Stay in school, get qualified then reach for your goal. After all, if your goal is to change a light bulb, you need steps to reach it. You need money to buy the steps. You need a job to get the money. You need quals to get the job. You have to go to school to get the quals. - All to change a light bulb. the people who look down on you are jealous and frightened. They have been conditioned - 4 legs good 2 legs bad syndrome (animal farm by Goerge Orwell). They secretly want what you want but can't have it so don't want you to have it either - dog in the manger syndrome. Hope all these posts have helped.

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Could you please read this?

by ethan in

this may take a while to explain, but if you read through and respond i'd appreciate it.

i became best friends with a jw about two years ago.

we were the best of friends.

uriah

They are very naughty and should be disfellowshipped. See if you can get pictures of them in compromising positions and take the photos to an elder. He will know what to do with them. You might even get a cut from the proceeds. Better still, get a few elders and spring an theoRaid - make sure they all have flash cameras - like in the movies. They will be carted off to a judicial hearing where all the dirty washing will be publicly washed and they will be drummed out. Is this the sort of info you wanted?