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  Words of Wisdom

  by Ustabee in

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  "that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain - that this nation under god, shall have a new breath of freedom - and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth".

  a. lincoln, gettysburg, nov, 1863. .

  somehow these words are still appropriate...

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  I feel how weak and fruitless must be any word of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save.

  I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom.

  Yours, very sincerely and respectfully,

  A. Lincoln

  As I watched the interview of the wives of the men who evidently successfully averted United Flt 93 from hitting its intended target, I was reminded of this letter now made famous from "Saving Private Ryan." The last words his family heard from one of these men were, "Jesus help us, let's roll." Those men demonstrated what being an American is all about. They were strangers thrown together in a desperate situation. Their actions will no doubt become legendary in our country's history.
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  Words of Wisdom

  by Ustabee in

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  "that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain - that this nation under god, shall have a new breath of freedom - and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth".

  a. lincoln, gettysburg, nov, 1863. .

  somehow these words are still appropriate...

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  Ustabee

  "that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain - that this nation under God, shall have a new breath of freedom - and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth". A. Lincoln, Gettysburg, Nov, 1863

  Somehow these words are still appropriate...
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  Lady Liberty.........

  by closer2fine in

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  closer.

  mean people produce.

  little mean people - bumpersticker

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  Ustabee

  Amen! Posting back to top.
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  Photos of WTC from Brooklyn, NY

  by Ustabee in

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  http://www.foureyes.com/towers/.

  this site also has links to other sites.

  notice the wt propoganda...

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  http://www.foureyes.com/towers/

  This site also has links to other sites. Notice the WT Propoganda...
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  National Day of Mourning in Australia

  by ozziepost in

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  prime minister john howard has announced a national day of mourning for sunday, september 16 to remember those who have been killed in the terrorist attacks on the united states.

  all flags nationwide will be flown at half-mast as well as church memorial services.. in addition for the first time ever, he has invoked the provisions of the anzus treaty whereby an attack on one member state is treated as an attack on all members.

  thus australian support is promised to be strong.. ozzie (of the freedom lovers class)

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  Thanks for the post, Oz. I know that in my office we have all done little except stay glued to telly for news reports. This event will provide JW's with tailor made 'talking points' [former service overseer talking ;-)]. The JW's employed on my staff have not uttered a word about the nationalism sweeping our office. I purchased and had displayed a flag on our front door. Not a peep. This country is mad now, madder than at any other time since WWII. The support and sympathy shown by our allies will not be forgotten. It is so interesting to view this whole awful tragedy through 'eyes with the scales fallen off.'
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  Interesting thoughts on the situation.. READ

  by Brutus in

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  hey everyone, .

  everybody has called for everything from full scale nuclear assault to a more measured response, against targets ranging from the entire middle east to just the perpetrators.

  the only country in which arabs can vote for their leaders is israel, where native born arabs are given citizenship.

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  SixofNine:
  [quote]Ustabee, it almost sounds as if you would be sad if there turns out to be a way to do this withOUT innocent civilians bearing those facial features and that skin being killed?[quote]

  Certainly not!

  Actually, I know that the people who committed these acts can be struck in such a way to involve innocent people. My point is that if such innocents were to be involved that the ultimate responsibility would be on the heads of the terrorists. Who are well known for hiding behind women and children.

  As a side note: I have started a thread in the Adult forum on this subject. I agree with Winston, dirty keying each other is no way to discuss these things.
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  Interesting thoughts on the situation.. READ

  by Brutus in

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  hey everyone, .

  everybody has called for everything from full scale nuclear assault to a more measured response, against targets ranging from the entire middle east to just the perpetrators.

  the only country in which arabs can vote for their leaders is israel, where native born arabs are given citizenship.

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  At the risk of getting embroiled in what is turning into an exercise in semantics, I must make one more post and then retire from the stage.

  I am not an apostate. I am an individual who is a former JW who has decided to go another way. This is my right as an individual and as a human being. The trite answer:

  The only answer is the Kingdom.

  No one would like to see peace and security more than I would. However, when we are attacked by a criminal, we call a policeman. I, for one, would not be satisfied if that policeman said to me, "The only answer is the Kingdom."

  The people responsible for the WTC demolition are cold-blooded, evil criminals with absolutely no regard for human life. That is a given. One thing for sure, however, these people cannot operate without an extensive and elaborate support network. Such a network requires some state support somewhere, somehow. Providing that support makes such a state criminal, too. When such support is identified, appropriate measures can be taken.

  I suppose that the 'violence begets violence' argument could be applied in many cases. Had the Free World not responded to Hitler with violence, think about the type of world we would live in today. International terrorism is a cancer on the soul of humanity that must be eliminated, period.

  Brutus is very angry. I am very angry. I'm frustrated that the authorities cannot reach out and grab the ones responsible and choke the life out of them. Having been in the military for a number of years as young man, I know exactly what is going through the mind of the American servicemen and women. It is cold, quiet rage. If innocent civilians are killed (collateral damage), that is a consequence of the actions taken on 9-11. The entire death toll of the terrorist attack is 'collateral damage.' There is a time to fight and a time to talk. The time to talk is now obviously over.
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  Interesting thoughts on the situation.. READ

  by Brutus in

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  hey everyone, .

  everybody has called for everything from full scale nuclear assault to a more measured response, against targets ranging from the entire middle east to just the perpetrators.

  the only country in which arabs can vote for their leaders is israel, where native born arabs are given citizenship.

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  My eyes are red from watching too much TV news. My heart is heavy for the loss of life. I'm mad as hell and I don't yet know at whom exactly I'm maddest. Our leaders, for being asleep at the switch, or the evil bastards who did this. Make no mistake, Americans in a large part of the world are hated. I lived in Greece in 1974 when being an American could get rocks thrown at you, or even worse, get your car burned. (They tried to burn my car, but they didn't know how to do it efficiently) My former Commanding Officer, Captain George Tsantis, was assassinated in Athens in the late 70's. His crime, being the Naval Attache at the U.S. Embassy in Athens.

  Make no mistake, an attack like the one yesterday will not make the US cave in, it will only unite a people famous for being able to react to this kind of thing.

  You can also rest assured that the US Military is planning its reponse as I write this. Any armed country or individual that supports these terrorists has put itself beyond the pale. Arabs will not be attacked because they are Arabs, but the scenes on TV last night and today of the man on the street in Palestine celebrating the most evil act in American history surely does not portray a people interested in peace. My thoughts are: If anyone carries a weapon in opposition to freedom or supports such people has painted a target on their back. No one should be surprised if rounds are fired at that target.
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  AMERICA'S REVENGE HAS STARTED!

  by nicolaou in

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  reports are coming in (bbc) of tracer fire and explosions in kabul, afghanistan.. this is of course wher osama bin laden is holed up - have the fbi/cia managed to successfully pin this atrocity on him already?.

  nic'

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  May God Almighty have mercy on these people... The people of this country will surely not.
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  What does the WBTS say about today? READ!!

  by LDH in

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  i just called wbts public information office.

  718 560-5619.. i had a hard time not busting out laughing........ i asked them, "is this armeggedon?".

  the girl who answered the phone laughed.

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  Ustabee

  Just as Armageddon did not come on Dec 7, 1941, nor will it come on (appropriately) 9-11. We will never be the same, though... come what may. However, I would venture a guess that any foreign aid to an Arab country is going to get a long look... Especially since the U.S. Military is probably drawing a bead right this minute on any terrorist org currently carrying a weapon in opposition to the West.

  The WTS is going to make all it can of this... but it will still be the same old BS....