Posts by alecholmesthedetective

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Flipping out at the meeting

by BU2B in

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unfortunatley, i still go to many meetings as i am working on getting my wife to wake up.

for the most part i maintain my composure but there have been two or three times when i actually have gotten so upset and the frustration built so high that i have come very come close to actually slamming something down or pounding the table in the literature room, or shouting out how i felt!

has anyone else felt this way?

alecholmesthedetective

F —ing hell Brother of the Hawk, that was amazing!

I am glad the sisters applauded you! It serves the elders well for not listening to them.

Congrats!

Alec

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My husband MISSED the meeting today! AGAIN!!!

by Julia Orwell in

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yep, i was comparing the nwt with the greek, which, incidentally uses words like 'grace' and 'spirit' instead of 'undeserved kindness' and 'gifts of the spirit'.

i pointed out these mistranslations to my dear husband.. then i showed him 2 tim 2:5-6 in the nwt and the original greek (strong's, westcott and hort) as well, where it says jesus became mediator for all and showed him in the wt where it says jesus is only mediator for 144 000. i also showed him an instance in the wt where it raves on about hating 'apostates' and others, then showed him matthew 5:44 "however i say to you: continue to love your enemies and to pray for those persecuting you.".

i didn't have to say anything 'apostate'; just show him the contrasting texts.. then i showed him the "shepherd" book where it says one can get dfd for "deliberately spreading teachings contraryto bible truth as taught by jebovah's witnesses" (ibid, pg 65) and told him that i've deliberately told him something different to the wt teaching therefore in the elders' eyes, i can be dfd.

alecholmesthedetective

Oh, amazing Julia! I hope he sets himself free and you can both be happy together without a publishing company to tell us how we should live our lives.

Alec

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Hi! I'm New Here

by alecholmesthedetective in

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hi there, as was suggested to me, i'm starting this thread to say hi to everyone.. my awakening began recently, after the new light on the 'slave'.

i felt it didn't add up and went to check and found out ttatt.

for a while i tried to find evidence of whether the wt might still be god's organization, i needn't say i couldn't.. i had already resigned as a ministerial servant and a pioneer, had already had several issues with the elders and did not put up with their nonsense for a long.

alecholmesthedetective

Alright, I've updated my Gravatar profile and written a bit more of my story.

https://en.gravatar.com/alecholmesthedetective

Funny how it came out as something for non-JWs to read. Perhaps because I feel the to understand how 3 months of intense sleep-depriving research overturned 15 years of Watchtower indoctrination.

It goes like this:

" I'm Alec Holmes, I'm an ex-Jehovah's Witness and an atheist, and cannot reveal my personal information for the time being, even though I wish I could do so, because if I did I would be immediately summoned to a kangaroo court known as a 'judicial committee' to be judged by three elders without a fair trial.

Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to publicly discuss or hold different views from current doctrines. Persistent dissenters are 'disfellowshipped' (excommunicated) and shunned forever by friends and family.

I was born in the religion, got baptized at a very young age (early teens) and really believed it was the only true religion. At that young age I couldn't possibly have known I was actually dedicating myself to a high-control man-led organization. I devoted myself, my time, my talent, and my energy going out trying to preach to others what I believed was the truth from the bible. I was a pioneer (a minister who devotes 70-hours a month preaching) for about 9 years and a ministerial servant (deacon) for about 7 years and did my best to please the Watchtower's version of God, Jehovah.

In October 2012, the Watchtower updated their doctrine on the identity of a certain "faithful and discreet slave", a parable from Jesus found in Matthew 24:45-51 and Luke 12:42-48. This slave would be appointed to provide spiritual food to the Christian congregation, it was God's sole channel of communication on earth.

What I did not know was that the Watchtower had changed this doctrine several times in the past. They don't divulge the whole truth.

I had been taught from infancy and had then taught countless others, had given public talks, had even defended out in the preaching work the doctrine that the faithful and discreet slave were the remnant of Christ's 'anointed' brothers on earth. These were no more than 9,000 worldwide in the 2000's and they were 'represented' by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, a group of elders made up exclusively of 'anointed' brothers, based in world headquarters in Brooklyn, New York.

What that actually meant in practise is that the Governing Body had the final word in doctrinal matters. If even an 'anointed' disagreed with one of their teachings, that would've been tantamount to disagreeing with God's holy spirit.

The latest change in understanding was that, no, the faithful slave were not the 'anointed' brothers of Christ on earth, no, guess what, it is the Governing Body itself! Eight men sitting in a room in Brooklyn making decisions that affect the lives of millions people in the whole world.

What puzzled me was something I had always believed and had always defended—a truth—had changed so easily, so simply. It didn't add up. I decided to investigate. And found many others online around the world who had the same misgivings as me.

Deeper investigation led me to the discovery that the Governing Body had always been the de facto faithful slave, the only difference is that now they were being upfront about it. The rest of the story needs a whole new post about it.

It was an intense journey. But it has led me to finally knowing the truth about the Watchtower. I have stopped attending their meetings or engaging in any activity related to the organization. I have now two choices before me: be disfellowshipped or leave of my own volition (disassociate myself). Both will lead to my perpetual shunning. I couldn't possibly hide forever, I must be true to myself and to live your life in fear is worse than losing your freedom.

So what I'm doing is biding my time before I come out to friends and family as a non-believing Jehovah's Witness, to then be viewed as dead by them indefinitely.

I'm Alec Holmes and this is my story."

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Let's Review: It's a cult!

by 00DAD in

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let's review: it's a cult!

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alecholmesthedetective

Oh, this is all Satan trying to stop them from serving Jehovah!

*** w05 12/15 pp. 22-23 par. 14 Whom Do You Obey—God or Men? ***

14 In the years since the Nazis’ efforts, others have joined the losing battle against Jehovah and his people. In a number of countries in Europe, crafty religious and political elements have endeavored to brand Jehovah’s Witnesses a ‘dangerous sect,’ the same charge that was leveled against first-century Christians. (Acts 28:22) The fact is, the European Court of Human Rights has recognized Jehovah’s Witnesses as a religion, not a sect. Opposers must know that. Still, they persist in slandering the Witnesses. As a direct result of this mischaracterization, some of these Christians have been discharged from their employment. Witness children have been harassed in schools. Fearful landlords have canceled contracts for buildings that the Witnesses have long used as meeting places. In a few cases, government agencies have even denied citizenship to individuals solely on the grounds that they are Jehovah’s Witnesses! Still, the Witnesses are undeterred

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What is your religious belief now?

by jwfacts in

i have a new poll at jwfacts.mobi/pollsarchive/ as i am very interested to see what people have moved on to believe.

as this is considered sensitive by some, you can answer anonymously at the jwfacts.mobi/pollsarchive/, or answer on this thread.

this is what i have created in the list, but feel free to add comments, corrections, or options i have missed.. .

alecholmesthedetective

Atheist.

It's where evidence has led me and continues leading me.

I'm also no longer afraid to use my critical thinking quite critically and to challenge anything that comes close to a scam or a lie or a deception, like for example, the WT.

But the evidence is the main factor for me.

Alec

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Ricky Gervais on atheism & some ideas we can relate to

by alecholmesthedetective in

i found this article really interesting because of the similar thoughts ricky expresses i could relate to and think are good food for thought irrespect of what you believe at the present time.

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/12/19/a-holiday-message-from-ricky-gervais-why-im-an-atheist/.

for example.... people who believe in god dont need proof of his existence, and they certainly dont want evidence to the contrary.

alecholmesthedetective

Alright Lars, thanks. I'll wait and see.

Alec

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The Governing Body is disqualified to rule- the 3-1-13 WT says so

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

first, let us consider whether that evildoer met the quali?cations for heavenly life.

humans with heavenly prospects have been baptized in water and with holy spirit and are thus spirit-begotten disciples of jesus.

(john 3:3, 5) another requirement is that they conform to gods moral standards and manifest such qualities as honesty, integrity, and compassion.

alecholmesthedetective

Exactly Brother of the Hawk, also whoever they are (LOL) has it also taken them about 93 years to figure they are the evil slaves?

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New magazine cover from the religion that calls former believers "mentally diseased"....

by cedars in

apparently "prejudice" applies only to racial equality and has nothing to do with diverse sexual orientation or religious beliefs.

it's news to me, but that's the only way i can explain this latest cover from the society.. http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/86/wp_e_20130601.pdf.

cedars.

alecholmesthedetective

Punk of Nice, Cedars, everyone...I'm dying here, also, my atheist girlfriend really enjoys your dry sense of humour as well!

Alec

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The Governing Body is disqualified to rule- the 3-1-13 WT says so

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

first, let us consider whether that evildoer met the quali?cations for heavenly life.

humans with heavenly prospects have been baptized in water and with holy spirit and are thus spirit-begotten disciples of jesus.

(john 3:3, 5) another requirement is that they conform to gods moral standards and manifest such qualities as honesty, integrity, and compassion.

alecholmesthedetective

Has anyone noticed how the 'evil slave' scripture has been applied in the past to those who challenged the leadership in the past, for example when Rutherford was challenged and a number of Bible Students left back then, but how in the new revamping of the understanding of FDS the only new light had to do with Matt 24.45-47?

I mean, how about Matt. 24:48-51:

48 “But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ 49 and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, 51 and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites. There is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.

And no explanations on the different slaves in Luke 12:45-48 either:

45 But if ever that slave should say in his heart, ‘My master delays coming,’ and should start to beat the menservants and the maidservants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, 46 the master of that slave will come on a day that he is not expecting [him] and in an hour that he does not know, and he will punish him with the greatest severity and assign him a part with the unfaithful ones. 47 Then that slave that understood the will of his master but did not get ready or do in line with his will will be beaten with many strokes. 48 But the one that did not understand and so did things deserving of strokes will be beaten with few. Indeed, everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him; and the one whom people put in charge of much, they will demand more than usual of him.

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Public talk today on evolution today - real doozy

by Comatose in

notes:.

bible says god created us.

scientific principle says - simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

alecholmesthedetective

Black and white thinking prevails in the Kingdom Hell.

Yes punkofnice, I can still remember a talk by a missionary talking about blood fractions and conscience matters in which he said that for Jehovah ™ there are no 'grey areas', only black and white, he knew what was right and wrong. I remember being so confused by that statement, why didn't I wake up back then? Here we had a missionary blatantly admitting the WT was a cult!

So many unsubstantiated claims in the OT for which no evidence in archaelogy or science can be found, it's really irritating that friends or family refuse to "Face the Facts"™.