if i am understanding correctly only 144,000 will go to heaven, to be with jesus and help rule?
these 144,000 are witnesses only.
there is over a million jw world wide, what happens to the rest of the faithful followers.
Concept about 144000 did not originate from God. (Mathew 20:25, 26) It is pagan concept put into the Bible by the power-hungry Christendom clergy.
Prophets were not in favor of us having the need for much spiritual knowledge. It is like having a basic knowledge about an automobile being fair enough for you to drive and reach the destination. You don’t have to know the whole details of a car as a manufacturer does. This thought is implied in Mathew 7:12
oh dear, i recently made a comment about an elder being dogmatic.
and one of his best buddies sent me a wt article to help me realign my mind or something.
this is where reality separates from fantasy and fiction.
Jesus had already called elder arrangement as pagan when he said: "But Jesus called them to Himself and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them. It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant," (Mathew 20:25, 26)
Behind the words, he concealed the notion we are familiar with: No ladder of authority among Christians.
abandoning a damaging cult is not a crime, in fact it might be viewed as a moral imperative given the levels of abuse awaiting those surrendering to its teachings and worse –its "ecclesiastic authority".. it has always seemed counter productive to inform potential enemies when your life´s goals now conflict with their rigid agendas.
disassociation letters and manifestos may be cathartic in the writing, but the outcome is a 100% certainty because of the inflexibility and lack of caring by the very group it is delivered to.. .
"fading" from under "high control" seems an oxymoronic risk at best, and currently faders walk on eggshells and look over their shoulders for years during and after the attempt - fearful that the price of their freedom will be the destruction of their friendships and family ties.. perhaps a peculiar additional preparation to a fade can reverse the balance of power – and high control cults are all about power.. .. bear in mind: - .
When they are so callous to the extent of demonizing those who disagree with them, there is no need to be sensitive to JW sensibilities. When you realize something is a waste, make an appropriate response and never bother about it any more.
does jehovah need to be protected by a zealous scribe***** (masoretic text) or anyone else?
deuteronomy 32:8 is a textbook example of how later scribes sometimes changed the biblical text in a misguided attempt to “protect” god’s reputation.
deut 32:8, eliminates references to other divine beings (32:8, “sons of god”; 32:43, “heavenly ones” and “gods”).
Apostle Paul felt he should protect God even by lying: "For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory, why yet am I also judged a sinner?" (Romans 3:7)
if you want to experience the impact of an historic event, go and visit the next stark darkening, the eclipse in 2024. to be precise, ~1969 days away.
the countdown also will take you, like an anti-daily text, through wt history as a retro prophecy a day for a year.
ha ha.
They went wrong because they thought Bible is dependable for prophecy. They were no different from Christendom who holds Bible sacred just because it was thought sacred in the past by their predecessors.
last week in the sunday meeting a sister made a comment and collapsed, a massive heart attack.
one of the young brothers is a fireman and he gave her mouth mouth and according to the doctor this saved her life.
so if she had missed the meeting that day she would have surly died because her husband is not in great health.
territorial spirits-.
daniel 10:13,20 prince of persia.
deut: 32:9 “when the most high divided the nations, when he separated the sons of adam, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of god.
Joseph used to keep a special cup for the purpose of "divination" (Genesis 44:5). This is something that was later evolved into a means to communicate with Satan. Bible writers do not share a common source of inspiration; each of them acted on his own: "For rebellion is as the sin of divination, and presumption is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, he has also rejected you from being king.”" (1 Samuel 15:23)
jesus taught he would not use an organization on earth once he leaves the stage (mathew 7:12, 21-23; luke 6:38 …etc) this is because god respects the free-will of everyone and would not force anyone to follow certain path, which means system of things would climax in the situation described in 2tim 3:1-5.. yet those who want to lead a life of ease are not left in the lurch.
there is a verse of paramount importance that jesus spoke of: ‘everyone acts/reacts according to his passion—beneficial or wasteful’ (mathew 12:35) which means there is no basis for certain expected response, towards your action, from others.
this is interesting, because we often get disappointed when others do not appreciate the good we do or are not grateful to us.
Interestingly, Lao Tzu had already written this long back: “Act without expectation.” Seers are so because of their observation. We can also observe and arrive at such lessons. Here are some:
Life teaches LET GO:
When we let go thoughts—sleep enters
When we let go breath—next breath enters
When we let go past memories—Kingdom of God resurfaces within. (Luke 17:21)
perhaps this line of questioning could agitate a jw's thinking.
it can't hurt.. you: is shunning a biblical teaching?.
jw: yes.. you: so it must be god's law?.
Hi The Fall Guy
Very sound logic and reasoning.
territorial spirits-.
daniel 10:13,20 prince of persia.
deut: 32:9 “when the most high divided the nations, when he separated the sons of adam, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of god.
However, behind all the details what is absolutely clear is that Daniel was not aware of the JW teaching that the the 'Satan is the ruler of this world."
The Greek word used for wicked one originally means wastefulness which was later personified as wicked one or Satan.
