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What do scriptural contradictions convey?

by venus in

any book that claims to be god’s word should have the minimum qualification of clarity.

if any of its verses are open to many interpretations, it cannot be god’s word.

god can easily be crystal clear as traffic police who puts traffic signals (red means stop, green means start …etc.

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Saename,

Not only contradictions, even other assertions carry inherent contradictions. For example, you know that something against demand-and-supply mechanism will not happen—if someone says “when supply of gold exceeds and becomes superfluous like sand in the desert, its price will increase” no one will agree. Similarly, Can a father exalt one child (Jesus) over others, or one nation (Israel) over others? Can a nation that experienced a great miraculous escape soon turn into calf worship telling a single calf idol: ‘You are our gods, who brought us up out of Egypt’? (Exodus 32:4) Can a nation that experienced millions of miracles from Jesus soon turn to be so mad as to demand “Kill Jesus, and release for us Barabbas!” which would bring them no benefit at all? (Luke 23:18) Yet these are not just isolated verses, but are the very pillar on which the whole Bible is built!

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What do scriptural contradictions convey?

by venus in

any book that claims to be god’s word should have the minimum qualification of clarity.

if any of its verses are open to many interpretations, it cannot be god’s word.

god can easily be crystal clear as traffic police who puts traffic signals (red means stop, green means start …etc.

venus

Any book that claims to be God’s word should have the minimum qualification of clarity. If any of its verses are open to many interpretations, it cannot be God’s word. God can easily be crystal clear as Traffic Police who puts traffic signals (RED means STOP, GREEN means START …etc.) Not to mention are the contradictions. If I find contradictions, I conclude this way: “These contradictory verses are written by two different schools of thought with each one having beliefs-system opposed to each other, and have nothing to do with God.”

That means verses such as the following verses are purely of human origin:

1) We are saved by faith alone without works (Romans 3:20, 28; 5:1) x A man is justified by works, and not by faith only (James 2:24)

2) Thou shalt not kill. (Exodus 20:13) x kill every man his brother…companion…neighbor. (Exodus 32:27)

3) Death came to all people, because all sinned… (Romans 5:12) x Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death. (John 8:51)

4) To Pilate Jesus “answered never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly… (Matthew 27:13-14) x Jesus answered Pilate, saying … (John 18:33-34)

5) He who is not with me is against me (Mathew 12:30) x Whoever is not against us is for us (Mark 9:40)

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Finds in Jerusalem shore up biblical account of Babylonian conquest (586 BCE date)

by Hecce in

this is a nice article about archaeological finds, what caught my attention is the use of 586 bce as the date for the destruction of jerusalem.. according to biblical descriptions, in 586 bce, the babylonian king nebuchadnezzar vanquished the judaean king zedekiah and razed his capital city, jerusalem.

the babylonian captain of the guard nebuzaradan was dispatched into the city, where, as told in the book of jeremiah, he “burned the house of the lord, and the king’s house; and all the houses of jerusalem, even every great man’s house, burned he with fire.”.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-jerusalem-finds-shore-up-biblical-account-of-babylonian-conquest/.

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It is a matter of time that WT society would make this significant change: "The generation of 1935 (585 years of BC + 1935 years into AD = 2520 years) will not pass away until all these things occur."

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Believers: How do you know your view of your chosen holy book is the correct one?

by punkofnice in

don't start fighting, darlings.

i am genuinely curious.

after all i was a jobo 50 years and thought the wbt$ was 100% correct.. i ask this because i see that, for example, christian denominations (or whatever), likely have differing interpretations of the same writing.

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Any scripture that is open for various interpretations cannot originate from God. If I were born in Saudi Arabia, I would have believed their scripture is naturally my scripture.

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Satan exists only in the minds of people

by venus in

scripture writers knew that satan had to be created as part of a game.

just like hero needs a villain, police needs crooks, politicians need masses, day needs night … god needs satan, hence they created a satan with human thinking—for example:.

1) satan thinks shape of earth is flat (because he believes that he can see the whole world if he climbs a “high mountain.” (luke 4:5).

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ttdtt,

When we apply this logic, many accounts in the Bible lose its steam. For example, can a father exalt one child over others, or one nation over others? Can a nation that experienced a great miraculous escape soon turn into calf worship telling a single calf idol: ‘You are our gods, who brought us up out of Egypt’? (Exodus 32:4) Can a nation that experienced millions of miracles from Jesus soon turn to be so mad as to demand “Kill Jesus, and release for us Barabbas!” which would bring them no benefit at all? (Luke 23:18)

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Satan exists only in the minds of people

by venus in

scripture writers knew that satan had to be created as part of a game.

just like hero needs a villain, police needs crooks, politicians need masses, day needs night … god needs satan, hence they created a satan with human thinking—for example:.

1) satan thinks shape of earth is flat (because he believes that he can see the whole world if he climbs a “high mountain.” (luke 4:5).

venus

Scripture writers knew that Satan had to be created as part of a game. Just like hero needs a villain, police needs crooks, politicians need masses, day needs night … God needs Satan, hence they created a Satan with human thinking—for example:

1) Satan thinks shape of earth is flat (because he believes that he can see the whole world if he climbs a “high mountain.” (Luke 4:5)

2) Satan credulously believes that if he raises an issue regarding a devotee’s integrity God would also come down to his level trying to prove His side (Job 1:9-12) [in reality this never happens—if my adversary tells me “my best friend loves me because of selfish reason, I would only let that accusation pass unheeded”]

3) Satan credulously believes that God would tell His children: “Do not do anything” [do not eat from the tree of good and bad would mean man is prohibited to do anything “good or bad” because any action would fall into the category of good or bad] and makes the mistake of repeating it saying: ‘If you eat of this tree of good and bad (if you do not do anything), you will become like God.’ (Genesis 2:16, 17; 3:1-5) Here Satan never thinks that God may say “do good and avoid bad” but will never say “avoid good and bad.”

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The old "Book Study Group"

by The Fall Guy in

in the june 2004 kingdom ministry, the self-appointed "faithful slave" published this spiritual exhortation as a q&a item - "the congregation book study—why we need it.

three years later, in 2007 - in the august kingdom ministry - the same "slave" issued this reminder - "how the congregation book study arrangement helps us.

but surprise, surprise - within a few short months the "slave" decided that jehovah had had a change of heart, and now decided that the book study in homes - with all of its alleged benefits - was superfluous: .

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This is typical of any teaching of human origin.

At one point, you have to say: Sun rises in the East,

At another point, you have to say: Where sun rises is East,

and yet at another point, you have to say: Sun never rises in the East nor sets in the West.

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Is true religion all about being serious?

by venus in

amidst of many barriers such as no birthday celebration, no blood transfusion, no voting, no political career, no military service, no national anthem, no higher studies ….. i felt handicapped.

isn’t seriousness of the ego and joyfulness of egolessness?

isn’t true religion all about a celebration of life?

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Amidst of many barriers such as no birthday celebration, no blood transfusion, no voting, no political career, no military service, no national anthem, no higher studies ….. I felt handicapped. Isn’t seriousness of the ego and joyfulness of egolessness? Isn’t true religion all about a celebration of life? (Luke 12:27)

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Verifiable proof of Jesus' existance outside the Bible

by unsure in

thought i'd start a separate discussion on the subject.. those who know me know i'm struggling with faith; i want to believe, some days i do but it becomes difficult.. many believers say there is verifiable proof of jesus' existence outside of the bible.. please post this proof..

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Jesus supposedly foretold vaguely many unfavorable things for his disciples in the last days (Mathew 24) ; yet failed to foretell the favorable development of Internet which can positively affect the preaching of his gospel--something that is impossible if he were really a historical person.

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Verifiable proof of Jesus' existance outside the Bible

by unsure in

thought i'd start a separate discussion on the subject.. those who know me know i'm struggling with faith; i want to believe, some days i do but it becomes difficult.. many believers say there is verifiable proof of jesus' existence outside of the bible.. please post this proof..

venus

The greatest miracle is that the man who supposedly performed many miracles and supposedly brought the very separation of history into BC and AD left no historical proof of himself having ever passed through history!

If scholars admit now that certain portions of the Bible are added later (such as those now put into brackets), it casts doubt on rest of the portions too.