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  Isn’t concept of sinner itself faulty?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a person may sometimes get swelling on his leg and may have limped a few times—but he is never called lame.

  similarly, sometimes a person may slip into selfishness and use his free-will to his own harm or to the harm of others—but this does not make him a sinner because the ability to do the contrary (ability choose to commit virtuous act to any extent) too exists in him.

  if one’s occasional sinning does not make him a sinner, sin of another person (such as first human couple) can never make others sinners.

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  Drearyweather,

  You did not read carefully what I wrote: Similarly, sometimes a person may slip into selfishness and use his free-will to his own harm or to the harm of others—but this does not make him a sinner because the ability to do the contrary (ability choose to commit virtuous act to any extent) too exists in him.

  By saying: “The ability to do the contrary”what I meant is “ability to choose to commit virtuous act” which is also given in bracket.

  If sin is an inherited tendency as you believe, how can people at times choose to commit virtuous act? Evidence is that anybody can choose to sin or choose to do virtuous act, or choose to mix them in any proportion he likes. This is why we find people acting/reacting in various ways in same situation.

  Sin is not hereditarily passed, but the path of sin is as follows:

  From beliefs, attitudes are formed

  From attitudes, thoughts are formed

  From thoughts, action is produced

  From repeated action, tendency, habit, destiny …etc are produced.

  That means, it is easier to change your course in the earlier parts of the process.
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  Miracles and responses—both are not explicable

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
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  a miracle is an event not explicable by natural or scientific laws.

  bible reports many such miracles.

  interestingly, responses to these reported miracles could be even labeled as a greater miracle which cannot be explained by any known law, logic or experience.

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  A miracle is an event not explicable by natural or scientific laws. Bible reports many such miracles. Interestingly, responses to these reported miracles could be even labeled as a greater miracle which cannot be explained by any known law, logic or experience. For example,

  1) People who supposedly witnessed miraculous parting of Red Sea and other miracles are soon seen turning inimical to the performer of those miracles and turned into a calf-worship—calling that single calf as ’their gods who brought you up out of Egypt.’ (Exodus 32:4) This is like hostages who were delivered by Government Forces turning ungrateful to their saviors and singing praises to some symbol left by their captors! Such a response is unlikely to happen.

  2) Generation that supposedly experienced beneficial miracles performed by Jesus are seen calling for the murder of him shouting ‘We want the robber Barabas to be released and Jesus to be murdered.’ (Mathew 27:17-21) This response too is unlikely to happen. Thus not only action (miracles) but also reactions (hatred of the miracle-worker) are against all known laws, logic and experience.

  Just because one knows that words form a sentence, he cannot simply put any two words [e.g. healthy disease] together.

  Just because one knows that events form action-and-reaction chain, he cannot simply label any two events as action (miracle-performance by an altruist) and reaction (the generation that experienced those miracles responded with murder of the miracle-worker). It is like saying: “When supply increases [action] price will increase [reaction].” No, even if it is gold, if its supply increases exceedingly and becomes like sands of the desert, its price will come down, and will be treated like sands of the desert.
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  Isn’t concept of sinner itself faulty?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a person may sometimes get swelling on his leg and may have limped a few times—but he is never called lame.

  similarly, sometimes a person may slip into selfishness and use his free-will to his own harm or to the harm of others—but this does not make him a sinner because the ability to do the contrary (ability choose to commit virtuous act to any extent) too exists in him.

  if one’s occasional sinning does not make him a sinner, sin of another person (such as first human couple) can never make others sinners.

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  truth_b_known & xjwsrock,

  Your questions are right questions for which believers will have no answers.

  Now I will add something interesting:

  The above situation helps me in my personal life. When someone disappoints me with his/her irrational behavior, I remember how irrational the world is in accepting blind beliefs such as above, about sinner. When most people are irrational, why should I be bothered about one or two individuals who displays irrational behavior towards me? It’s like asking “Why this particular drop from the ocean is salty when the whole ocean is salty?”
  
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  Making Every Thought Captive To Christ(Washing the Brain Of Good Reasoning)

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
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  not a very good idea to say the least.

  when i read paul's words the more i see how delusional the guy was.

  he was a genuine religious fanatic who contradicts jesus words on the sermon on the mount.. 2 corinthians 10:5 5we demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of god, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to christ.. delusional and in need of some serious psychological help.

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  Paul is so innocent that he is willing to admit he is not inspired:

  • 2 Cor. 11:17, "That which I am speaking, I am not speaking as the Lord would, but as in foolishness, in this confidence of boasting."
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  Isn’t concept of sinner itself faulty?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a person may sometimes get swelling on his leg and may have limped a few times—but he is never called lame.

  similarly, sometimes a person may slip into selfishness and use his free-will to his own harm or to the harm of others—but this does not make him a sinner because the ability to do the contrary (ability choose to commit virtuous act to any extent) too exists in him.

  if one’s occasional sinning does not make him a sinner, sin of another person (such as first human couple) can never make others sinners.

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  A person may sometimes get swelling on his leg and may have limped a few times—but he is never called lame. Similarly, sometimes a person may slip into selfishness and use his free-will to his own harm or to the harm of others—but this does not make him a sinner because the ability to do the contrary (ability choose to commit virtuous act to any extent) too exists in him. If one’s occasional sinning does not make him a sinner, sin of another person (such as first human couple) can never make others sinners. That means there cannot be something called original sin. If there is no original sin, there is no need for God to send one of His children to die for the sins of other children. Interestingly, Jesus himself testifies that God sent him from heaven not to die for any body’s sin. (Mathew 21:33-36) Even if he is murdered (which is a sin), how can that be a means for atonement of sins of others—sin atoning sin? Besides, murder doesn’t really count if he gets to come back to life three days later.

  When I asked these questions to my Elders, they said these are apostate questions, hence don’t ask such questions. If you’re not allowed to ask questions, how do you know you have the right religion?
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  Why the vitriolic hate?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am sure we have all thought of this before, but it struck me again today:.

  why does the society promote such vitriolic hate toward, and about those who have left "the truth" ?.

  surely it is obvious that such critical attitudes towards ones like us who have left, only serves to proove that they do not have "the truth"?.

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  pale.emperor,

  Excellent points.

  Because JWs are worried about giving an answer to the taunt of Satan, they approach everything with worry, anxiety, fear, and that adds to the problem. This makes them negative in their perspective—especially towards those who left them whom they view as the henchmen of Satan.
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  Why the vitriolic hate?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am sure we have all thought of this before, but it struck me again today:.

  why does the society promote such vitriolic hate toward, and about those who have left "the truth" ?.

  surely it is obvious that such critical attitudes towards ones like us who have left, only serves to proove that they do not have "the truth"?.

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  Because they want to nullify what Jesus said: "If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Mathew 5:46-48) Thus they want to identify themselves with "tax collectors."
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  Concept faithful discreet slave

  by inbetween09 in

  1. watchtower
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  according to the "new light" the faithful slave class appeared after jesus came 1914 (rather 1918 he inspected the temple) and was bestowed with assigement to provide spiritual food.. there are a number of problems with this new concept:.

  how did russel and co found out about certain unique teachings diffferent from mainstream christendom?.

  option 1) apparently by himself, as there was no fds at his time.

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  Power struggle seen following the death Russel shows no faithful and discreet slave class had been appointed by Jesus
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  “For God so love the world …

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not be destroyed but have everlasting life” (john 3:16).. it just occurred to me that if parents were to follow this scripture, they would put their children to death if their children don’t obey/agree with them.

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  But God had no idea as to what would happen to Jesus when he sent him on to earth (Mathew 21:33-39)
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  God doesn’t foresee/foretell future

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if god foresee/foretell future, he could definitely have foreseen the communication revolution we experience today and sent jesus in the first half of 21st century [instead of first century] where the whole world could watch him performing miracles live as we watched will tsai, a young japanes visualist who brings dead fish back to life in america's got talent 2017—especially because god’s will is that “everyone is to be saved” (1 timothy 2:4)-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9af4wvd6cz0.

  if god does foresee future, it would mean that incident are foreordained in which case it is not foreseeing.

  but truth is that he has not fixed events.

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  If God foresee/foretell future, He could definitely have foreseen the communication revolution we experience today and sent Jesus in the first half of 21st century [instead of first century] where the whole world could watch him performing miracles live as we watched Will Tsai, a young Japanes Visualist who brings dead fish back to life in AMERICA'S GOT TALENT 2017—especially because God’s will is that “everyone is to be saved” (1 Timothy 2:4)-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aF4wVD6cZ0

  If God does foresee future, it would mean that incident are foreordained in which case it is not foreseeing. But truth is that He has not fixed events. For example, He sent Jesus on to earth with some expectation, yet things went in opposite direction.—Mathew 21:33-39