Posts by venus

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Why should WE be the bloodguilty ones??

by stuckinarut2 in

it struck me just how odd and weird it is that jws are told that if they do not preach, they are "bloodguilty" for failing to warn people of the upcoming destruction at armageddon.. hang on a minute now, hang on!.

why should a mere human be made to feel "bloodguilty" and "responsible" for "failing to warn someone" of gods wrath??.

these average people are not the ones who are about to unleash a genocidal massacre on 99% of humanity (including babies born to non-witnesses).

venus

nowwhat?

You are right. God has not arranged any organization with absolute clarity that matches His messenger, hence God will not hold listeners like us blood-guilty. This is HIS assurance: "Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle?" (1 Corinthians 14:8)

In addition, God knows everyone knows what is right and wrong [and it is not necessary to make people agree on this subject]. Hence preaching is unnecessary and it accomplishes nothing. For example, people are quick to notice the wrong when it is committed by others [which proves they know ‘what is wrong?’] and are quick to seek glory for the good when it is committed by them [which proves they know ‘what is right?’]. We all know what actions of others make us happy and unhappy which means we know what actions to be adopted and what actions to be avoided in relation to others. We have also an ocean of experiences (of our own and of others) to decide what is beneficial and harmful

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Why should WE be the bloodguilty ones??

by stuckinarut2 in

it struck me just how odd and weird it is that jws are told that if they do not preach, they are "bloodguilty" for failing to warn people of the upcoming destruction at armageddon.. hang on a minute now, hang on!.

why should a mere human be made to feel "bloodguilty" and "responsible" for "failing to warn someone" of gods wrath??.

these average people are not the ones who are about to unleash a genocidal massacre on 99% of humanity (including babies born to non-witnesses).

venus

The whole concept of need of preaching is based on illogical grounds. For example, Jesus reportedly warned: “Every one therefore who shall confess me before men, him will I also confess before my Father who is in heaven.” (Mathew 10:32) This statement (often used to encourage the preachers to do more) dishonors Jesus and God who sent him because it essentially means: ‘If you do this we will do that for you’ which is same as the commercial attitude of the world against which Jesus himself cautions us in great length (John chapter 15, 17 … etc) and contradicts other fundamental truths Jesus emphasized earlier such as Mathew 5:44-48.

It is unlikely that Jesus gave it especially because a spiritual person would not say ‘fear should be your motive behind your service to God’ (Mathew 10:28). What is done out of fear is mechanical and is also as good as nothing being done.

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Paradise? Was it?

by TerryWalstrom in

paradisewas it really paradise to be in paradise?adam and eve never were held by a mother, never cuddled and sung to with a lullaby nor nursed or coddled with tenderness or any human familial embrace.

the first humans (adam and eve) never learned to toddle surrounded by brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles and grandparents cheering them on.

the entire experience of childhood was excised surgically like a trauma patient awakening from an accident with amnesia.adam and eve were never in a neighborhood with other kids forming friendship bonds for life and exchanging dreams and hopes for a future they were building in their community.

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Paradise description and its loss were the best humans could think of as the answer to the question “How did suffering arise?” If this description were correct, then its conclusion too should be correct where God is reportedly said: ‘He doesn’t like humans to become like Him’ (Genesis 3:22) which of course God the Father would not say. That means paradise and Adam and Eve story is a piece of human imagination, and is a parallel account of creation to Genesis chapter 1 where it says God created “mankind,” not one couple. (Genesis 1:26)

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JW teaching about the final war of “Gog and Magog” and identity of “North King” may be wrong. Here is an interesting development

by venus in

a modern day jewish prophet who correctly predicted the six day war in 1967 and the yom kippur war in 1973 has also predicted north korea would bomb seoul which would culminate in the final war of gog and magog.. .

for details.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/mystic-rabbi-predicted-todays-top-threat-22-years-ago/.

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A modern day Jewish prophet who correctly predicted the Six Day War in 1967 and the Yom Kippur War in 1973 has also predicted North Korea would bomb Seoul which would culminate in the final war of Gog and Magog.

for details

http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/mystic-rabbi-predicted-todays-top-threat-22-years-ago/

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If Apostle Paul had been living in our time, would he have written certain things he did?

by venus in

1) he wrote woman are not qualified to teach (1 corinthians 14:34).

in my experience, i have been taught by both teachers—male and female.

some of the female teachers were too wonderfully effective.

venus

cobweb,

That's interesting information

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Facing Existential Dread

by Brokeback Watchtower in

the watchtower corporations main appeal is a everlasting life, this makes it possible for one to avoid existential dread.

this type of anxiety is a part of the human condition, and it explains the appeal of many religions to the human condition as it offers some relief from the anxiety about our life ending.. psychologist show the importance for facing this dread/anxiety.

my feeling is that the more you can accept the fact that your life is very very temporal, the better you will live your life as you accept that you are very temporary and try to live life to the full and not be duped by religions appeal to calm this anxiety.. https://www.calmclinic.com/anxiety/types/existential .

venus

Great thread.

There is nothing to fear. I know I came through my parents who in turn came through their parents which goes into infinity; yet each one supplied the seed in which all future generations remains protected. Yet parents did not design the software that the physical thing called seed is based on. This shows there is some interesting purpose to life which everyone has to find out which makes the search a thrilling experience.

In some language, the word for heaven is coined out of two words which collectively means 'living in the awareness that I am child of God' which automatically makes feel confident of his enormous skills and talents, and if he also lives in the now exploring new avenues with his skills and talents he would live like being in heaven. On the contrary, if one is aware what others should do for him, or did to him, he would live like as though in hell.

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What is the Baptism all about?

by Old Navy in

does the act of baptism make us a "member" of any group or organization?

or, is it something much greater in its purpose?.

when we as former jws came to the truthful conclusion that what the wtborg cult inc. was teaching/preaching was not an accurate representation of the word, many of us decided to look into every nook and cranny to see if we could discover the real truth.

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With regard to its symbolic meaning it is very useful—dead to the old personality and emerging as alive to do God’s will. However, the Jews had this concept in-built into their very vocabulary. For example, the word for life is chayim in Hebrew. Chayim is written in the plural to imply truths such as:

1) Life cannot be lived alone. We come to life not on our own, but through our parents who came, in turn, through their parents which ultimately starts from God. In other words, one’s life has meaning only when he knows he is a child of God. Interestingly, Chayim is formed from the word Chai (alive) and im (if), suggesting that being alive is conditional on our union with God in the truth.

2) The plural also indicates each of us lives more than one life—inner and outer. It is not enough to have an upwardly mobile outer life filled with material possessions. It is not satisfying unless a person also has a richer inner life filled with meaning and purpose.

Hence for a Jew, there was no need of being taught through Baptism.

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If Apostle Paul had been living in our time, would he have written certain things he did?

by venus in

1) he wrote woman are not qualified to teach (1 corinthians 14:34).

in my experience, i have been taught by both teachers—male and female.

some of the female teachers were too wonderfully effective.

venus

jwfacts,

You are very true he would have shown his lust for power because his hidden agenda could be discerned by any keenly analytical mind. For example, the book Genius of Paul by Samuel Sandmel is like an investigative journalism which shows how Paul tries to undermine some of the Gospel writers.

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If Apostle Paul had been living in our time, would he have written certain things he did?

by venus in

1) he wrote woman are not qualified to teach (1 corinthians 14:34).

in my experience, i have been taught by both teachers—male and female.

some of the female teachers were too wonderfully effective.

venus

1) He wrote woman are NOT qualified to teach (1 Corinthians 14:34). In my experience, I have been taught by both teachers—male and female. Some of the female teachers were too wonderfully effective. This is equally true in all spheres—mundane and religious. Not to mention some of the efficient woman rulers. Germans proved Apostle Paul wrong in a spectacular way—they chose Angela Merkel fourth term as chancellor of Germany. In India even the Head of the Defense Department is a woman.

2) Apostle Paul felt he had no control over his behavior (Romans 7:24) and he thought this aspect is true for all mankind. (Romans 5:12-21) Yet look at the world of those working in fields such as Customer Service, Air-hostess … they choose to show perfect control on their temperament even at the face of unjust/extreme provocation, yet they choose to be the opposite when they are at home (I have first experience from my twin-sister who is working as an air-hostess)

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Does Morality Exist?

by Fisherman in

some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

some people don't.. does morality exist?

if so, prove it..

venus

Morality exists and does not exist. For example,

1)When you make a destructive criticism, you think you are right

When you are destructively criticized, you think the other person is wrong.

2)What appears to be good could be wrong when the recipient is changed. Cooperation is good when the recipient is also good like Law-enforcement agencies, employer …etc. Yet cooperation with anti-social elements is wrong.

3)Anger is bad, yet it is also good sometimes because there could be grievous consequences of not getting angry, as well.

In big picture, what works for the well-being of all is good and vice versa. I agree with Mike Gallagher who wrote: “Right and wrong are not relative terms. There are fundamental truths. Evil flourishes, but good men continue to battle it – and win.”