_Morpheus
I feel a deep respect and love towards God because He gives freedom to people even to deny His existence, and He never punishes them. And equally good is He in that He doesn't do any favor to those worshiping Him.
Posts by venus
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50Humans can have answers to any questions
by venus ingod would not say: “you should not eat from the tree of good and bad, which would make you like me” because through jesus he said: ‘you must become like me by imitating the qualities of sun whose only concern is giving (of light and warmth) which means having no expectation of anything from anybody’ (mathew 5:44-48) .
this also means we should have no human teachers because we can have answer to any questions by ourselves, through inference.
(pro 25:2) how to go about inferring?
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Humans can have answers to any questions
by venus ingod would not say: “you should not eat from the tree of good and bad, which would make you like me” because through jesus he said: ‘you must become like me by imitating the qualities of sun whose only concern is giving (of light and warmth) which means having no expectation of anything from anybody’ (mathew 5:44-48) .
this also means we should have no human teachers because we can have answer to any questions by ourselves, through inference.
(pro 25:2) how to go about inferring?
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God would not say: “You should not eat from the tree of good and bad, which would make you like me” because through Jesus He said: ‘You must become like Me by imitating the qualities of sun whose only concern is giving (of light and warmth) which means having no expectation of anything from anybody’ (Mathew 5:44-48)
This also means we should have no human teachers because we can have answer to any questions by ourselves, through inference. (Pro 25:2) How to go about inferring? Plaeontologists are the best example. The first dinosaur that was named Iguanodon in the 1825 in England was not from several hundred individual bones but from just a tooth brought to Dr. Gideon Mantell, English obstetrician, geologist and palaeontologist, who then constructed a hypothesis about the appearance of the whole skeleton and flesh.
In contrast to palaeontologists, we have more pieces and have to infer on one missing piece. For example, earth is fine-tuned for life and for its enjoyment which would need careful planning and millions of pieces of work being put together. Looking at these wonderful works, one poet wrote “I am like a musical instrument to sing eternal praises to YOU, and you are the music of my life …”
The only problem with apparently no easy solution is: “Why suffering exists, and why is He not doing anything about if He is a loving Father?” Some may even feel that He is not doing anything, hence He doesn’t exist. The way Governments function gives a clue as to what could be the answer. We cannot say there exists no Government because if it did exist, it would have done something to remove the suffering in the prisons. Prison is just one of the many activities Government has performed. Its other welfare activities are many such as construction of parks, highways, bridges, hospitals ….etc. Just like these activities are for a purpose, prisons are also for a purpose. We don’t have to see everything to come to a conclusion—by seeing the harvest we can also discern the sowing.
Even about the purpose of life, we don’t have to go very far because answer lies in our very name—human being. The highest state of spirituality is at the level of just being—with no prejudice, no complex superior or inferior. Our normal state is joy. A person in this state of joy is in harmony within and without by just being aware of the present moment. Learn from the past, plan for the future but live in/enjoy the present, aware of your real Self within, the principle of consciousness which is like axis to our body. When it enters, body starts functioning, and when it exits, body stops working; and this has been happening from time immemorial. What was into the past infinite, and what will be to future infinite …. is not our concern because there is no way we can know. We know everyone is sustained by the same air, water … This is true of everyone, which gives us reason to love others as ourselves which would attract good relationships towards us, which in turn make our lives more meaningful.
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Do they even realise how disgustingly immoral this is and how badly it reflects on the God they worship?
by doubtfull1799 infound this little gem when going through the daily texts.... so let me get this straight.... god knows your suffering really badly and wants to help.
he knows you feel like you're at your limit, but he also knows that you are not really - that you can handle some more suffering.
so instead of helping, he "patiently" waits till you are at your absolute limit, and only then does he help!?.
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punkofnice
Scriptural view of God has no more value than scriptural view that says earth is flat, sun is stopped for Joshua to win the war ...etc
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Do they even realise how disgustingly immoral this is and how badly it reflects on the God they worship?
by doubtfull1799 infound this little gem when going through the daily texts.... so let me get this straight.... god knows your suffering really badly and wants to help.
he knows you feel like you're at your limit, but he also knows that you are not really - that you can handle some more suffering.
so instead of helping, he "patiently" waits till you are at your absolute limit, and only then does he help!?.
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stuckinarut2,
This is why I look at the book called creation (not scriptures which are human creation; hence contain misrepresentation of God). Look at the weight of our head. An adult head weighs around 10 to 11 pounds (4.5 to 5 kg), yet it is designed and fixed in such a way that we do not feel the weight of even one gram on our neck. Contrast this experience with moving a dead body when you happen to catch its head, and see how soon you would feel tired.
Interestingly, neuro-scientists unwittingly add another dimension to the easiness with which we move about because of the particular way our brain works. They say human brain not only processes more than a million messages a second but also weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows us to focus and operate effectively in our world.
A God who has shown such loving care in the design cannot be blamed because of misrepresentations in the scriptures. If humans have to endure, there should be some other reason without God being dragged into the scene.
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Do they even realise how disgustingly immoral this is and how badly it reflects on the God they worship?
by doubtfull1799 infound this little gem when going through the daily texts.... so let me get this straight.... god knows your suffering really badly and wants to help.
he knows you feel like you're at your limit, but he also knows that you are not really - that you can handle some more suffering.
so instead of helping, he "patiently" waits till you are at your absolute limit, and only then does he help!?.
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Cold Steel You asked: “Why are we here? Where did we come from?”Answer lies in our very name—human being. The highest state of spirituality is at the level of just being—with no prejudice, no complex superior or inferior. Our normal state is joy. A person in this state of joy is in harmony within and without by just being aware of the present moment. Learn from the past, plan for the future but live in the present, aware of your real Self within, the Principle of Consciousness which is like axis to your body. When it enters, body starts functioning, and when it exits, body stops working; and this has been happening from time immemorial. What was into the past infinite, and what will be to future infinite …. is not our concern because there is no way we can know. We know everyone is sustained by the same air, water … This is true of everyone, which gives us reason to love others as ourselves which would attract good relationships towards us, which would in turn make our lives more meaningful.
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Do they even realise how disgustingly immoral this is and how badly it reflects on the God they worship?
by doubtfull1799 infound this little gem when going through the daily texts.... so let me get this straight.... god knows your suffering really badly and wants to help.
he knows you feel like you're at your limit, but he also knows that you are not really - that you can handle some more suffering.
so instead of helping, he "patiently" waits till you are at your absolute limit, and only then does he help!?.
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Do they even realise how disgustingly immoral this is and how badly it reflects on the God they worship?
by doubtfull1799 infound this little gem when going through the daily texts.... so let me get this straight.... god knows your suffering really badly and wants to help.
he knows you feel like you're at your limit, but he also knows that you are not really - that you can handle some more suffering.
so instead of helping, he "patiently" waits till you are at your absolute limit, and only then does he help!?.
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It shows they have no idea why humans should suffer! Even a cursory look would reveal that there is violation of law(s) behind suffering, and there is observance of law(s) behind well-being. Everything goes by law. Look at the wonderful mechanism called seeds. Each of all the species on earth (about 8.7 million) reproduces only its own kind, which shows how perfectly laws are working. Both well-being (when laws are observed) and ill-effects (when laws are violated) are results of some laws at work, like two sides of a coin. For example, in skillful cooking, delicious dishes are produced which means some laws are perfectly observed. In careless cooking, what you cook is burned, or food item being turned black into carbon, which again means some laws are at work. Living things contain the element carbon. That is because many organic compounds are present in living things such as carbohydrates, lipids, proteins, nucleic acids. Organic compounds contain both the elements Hydrogen and Carbon besides any other elements that may be present in a compound. Therefore, anything that was once alive that you cook and subsequently burn, will turn black and the charred material will definitely contain the element carbon. The unexpected ill-effects from violating some laws are felt as suffering and as bad. Interestingly, God cannot get involved in the affairs of mankind because everyone’s viewpoint varies. Humanity’s situation can be symbolized by a potter and an umbrella merchant. Potter whose business depends on sun would pray no rain should come whereas an umbrella merchant would pray for rain to come always because rain is a source of suffering for the potter and the same is a source of business for the umbrella merchant.
However, suffering helps the humble who would take lessons from it and would be careful in the future to avoid things that led to suffering. For example, a person not careful about being hygienic is finally to suffer from related diseases which would give him a thirst to be hygienic. That means suffering glorifies the well-being.
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What Jonah story really teaches
by venus injonah account as given in the bible proves the account is illogical, hence written by thoughtless human writer because:.
1) god is shown to be forcing jonah against his will.
(god would not go against the free-will of his children because history shows: he doesn’t punish atheists nor does he do any favors to theists).
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punkofnice
You asked: “Do you think the Bible is worth bothering with? If so, why is that? What about the book of mormon or the rig vedas?”
I have read most of the scriptures of major religions, and found they are all paraphernalia of devotion, designed to keep the flock looking to leaders. Just like we see one or two verses such as Mathew 5:44-48 in the Bible as true and beneficial, they may also have some few verses true.
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What Jonah story really teaches
by venus injonah account as given in the bible proves the account is illogical, hence written by thoughtless human writer because:.
1) god is shown to be forcing jonah against his will.
(god would not go against the free-will of his children because history shows: he doesn’t punish atheists nor does he do any favors to theists).
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EverApostate,
Such stories are paraphernalia of devotion. We have good Samaritan story. Yet what effect does it have on believers? My colleague used to say in her native country, a poor boy who sought Arch Bishop's help to continue his studies was sent out in a sarcastic tone. Boy left Catholicism and he is now the country's best singer who has recorded more than 100,000 songs in a number of languages. Yet people who may not know about the parable of good Samaritan may help those in need.
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What Jonah story really teaches
by venus injonah account as given in the bible proves the account is illogical, hence written by thoughtless human writer because:.
1) god is shown to be forcing jonah against his will.
(god would not go against the free-will of his children because history shows: he doesn’t punish atheists nor does he do any favors to theists).
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stuckinarut2,
Parables are made to obscure meaning, thus to keep the flock looking to leaders who thus become the beneficiaries. All the parables Jesus purportedly made may not have been made by him because he categorically declared: “For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." (Mathew 11:30) Such a person would not say: ““The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into about sixty pounds[b] of flour until it worked all through the dough” (Mathew 13:33) and leave it without explaining what it means, and nobody knows what he meant (which defeats the very purpose of communication)