Posts by anonymouz

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Are ANY Of The 20th Century Bible Prophecies Taught By JWs Still Believed In?

by minimus in

jw
friends

remember all those book studies that we had to understand, that dealt with prophecy as expounded by fred franz??.

are any of them still accepted as "truth"?.

anonymouz

Yes it is true, all elders I have ever known were the Bible dumbest guys I ever spoke to among JWs, and none of them read legacy material other than the book study. And their Bible comprehension was severly limited and robotic, like an employee manual. And no doubt all the busy work they are involved in, has added to their stunted spiritual development.

Most JWs are in the same mental boat, just drifting comatose to the Niagara Fall.

But I will say certain JWs new it all in great detail, they were very rare, and I imagine now they are questioning if the GB is not actually the "evil slave" with this last decade of JW overhaul of EVERYTHING in the religion.

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Stands For True Worship. I am turning myself in......

by DATA-DOG in

just answer this question in an honest and unbiased way, free from any circuitous reasoning or speculation.

if you do so, i swear to my heavenly father, that i will call the elders tonight and turn myself in.

any active jw may answer this question.

anonymouz

In any arena of development "truth" development is a process. The process must build on former "truths" as valid. That is part of the reason why Einstein created a "truth" for splitting the atom that Isaac Newton could not achieve. Yet much of Einstein's development was aided by Newton, yet Newtonian error is what led to atomic "truth".

Bethel is not in such a process, they are like an "Einstein" who completely wipes out EVERYTHING Newton had to say, vaid or invalid. Bethel is in a final process of completely erasing all 1914-1950 JW "truth", in a way the mouth says one thing, while the hands of Bethel are on the jackhammer applied to the foundation.

It will not be long the only JW Bible "truth" people will have left, is chunks and fragments now with no foundational overall meaning. Bethel says one thing, but does another hidden in their implied logic. They are attempting to demolish all "truth" in the process. It has been applied in the "frog in boiling water" kind of subtle and masterfully gradual way of redirection. Now JW "frog" water is set to the boil of the final twist of the knob in now an abrupt fashion, because JWs can not escape the pot now. That is why JWs paying attention now have spinning heads.

The GB = FDS "new light" has far more going on in it's extended logic than meets the eye at first read. It will create a great wave of doubt eventually in all Christian meaning of "faithful" and "evil" in it's most intrinsic basic form since even the judgment of Jerusalem from 33-70 CE. It's what Bethel does not say that is the most damaging element of their "new" "truth".

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Watchtower Legal Team Makes Threats

by Brother Mike in

i don't want to alarm anybody but the i have heard that the watchtower legal team has made threat to have various websites shut down for leaking important documents out to the public and to its various members of the christian congregation.

has anyone else heard this?

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anonymouz

From my internal and external Bethel sources in general concept (on both sides of the Atlantic), not specific to this case, anything of that nature of implied Bethel protest is meant to stir up more publicity for the "leaks" which purposely come from the Bethel sources (not my particular contacts). They are not really interested in shutting down a site, just calling attention to the information which pops up later at many locations. Meaning the want the information to go out in a heightened manner of curiosity and interest. Meaning that part of the internal to external Bethel operation is the one that creates the various "leaks" and evidence of lawlessness, etc, for contrary purposes with regular scheduling, and everything else is just to assume the psycholigical 'path of least resistance' for people in general to naturally think along a different assumption which you see, is plainly obvious in cases of this nature.

Atleast that is what I hear according to certain projects of this nature. I hear it is also an effective technique. Another example was breaking a decade of links to the former wt web, to simply dump off now to the jworg homepage, with no connection to the articles formerly linked to, to cut off the residual traffic directed to the former information, which by percentages killed the former web ministry some JWs were involved in since the 2nd web rendition of that time. That problem probably will not be "fixed", it will "die in committee", the issue has been made known, as have others to also "die in committee", and you know what committee I mean.

But of course do not instantly believe everything you hear, and especially do not just accpet your first reaction concerning the obvious Bethel operation of engineered duplicity, and obvious work of people not actually "Christian" in origin - think outside the box, and outside the box the box is in; and so on.

Remember, people are very easy to mislead and influence by the first reaction and apparent "reason" arrived at, and never is anything else considered beyond that "box" of reasoning. That is the objective. The dead end, or the wrong route of "awareness".

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The End Of The Anglo American World Power

by metatron in

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friends

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-13/chinas-official-press-agency-calls-new-reserve-currency.

china is openly calling for the end of us political and economic dominance of the world.

they ain't playin'.

anonymouz

Any turbulent period of time will obviously serve the Watchtower society well, so we can expect a surge for them and a revival for them whenever this happens, but it is important to remember that the collapse of a super power is not something new and is normal in global societal and financial dynamics. EVERYTHING has a life cycle.

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If the WT was actually a Christian group (in it's top leadership) what you say is true. And they too have a "lifecycle" that now I feel they are actually planning to terminate by human means early, and vacate the entire system, while leading JWs to liquidation worldwide.

I say this due to evidence that is now 10 years trended in WT mental programming actually making sure the international aspects of world government are not understood clearly by JWs; even in te most basic aspects. What this does is leave the JW "herd" vulnerable to engineered premature expectations of an "end" that the globalization process itself ensures will not come for at least 7-10 years, based on JWs own 8th King understanding when updated to an international government meaning beyond the UN facade and clubhouse being viewed as the "end all" system of power.

The have JWs sort of "hypnotized", frozen psycholically in a time and space of another era.

The UN is NOT a true system of any true power but in theory. A true internationalized uni-polar world government structure fully controlling all physical nations is what an "end all" "8th King" would actually need to be. And like WW1, WW2, and cold WW3, a world war is required to birth and present each form of this international forum, and a final cycle is required to actually present a international government and the UN forum centerpiece as a unique whole, which is a UN now impotent without very real power from former national powers under it's full control.

And that process is not an overnight affair. And even novice globalists know this fact inside and out. The world war is the element that compels the final national subservience by debt or actual force. By debt in those actually already aligned for international power government, by force for all the rest. The worldwide national human resources must aid that transformation on both sides of the fence. So, there has to be a final war of some typical or unique nature of deployment and branding, to even get the real process going.

Peaople are not just going to finish up globalization on their own, they need a big push and massive incentive, but not the actual awareness of what they are actually empowering.

The final world war, already started in the uniquely branded "global war on terror" in effect a "world war" "on terror" with 12 years post-911 positioning, and maybe 200 trillion in new bases and supporting infrastructure and logistical systems in Global NATO alone, spreading worldwide and into space, is also required to provide the required world tribulatory fear and desperation (the incentive or persuassion) which by contrast, makes the international government "peace" and "security" hope and actuality, being then presented, all that more desirable and acceptable as the world war period concludes to birth a now widely accepted "world government" of supra-national worldwide actual infrastructural dimensions.

And again, that is going to take an approximate decade and some huge global obstacles to overcome.

So a WT "theology" stating "it can end any day now" is simply untrue, when all the supposed WT earmarks of the signals of a divine intervention "end" will take at the least 7 years to even be made publicly known in preliminary forms, as no international government is going to actually proclaim worldwide sovereign "peace and security" until ALL the nations are bridled and harnessed fully and reliably, taking some doing, not impossible, but requiring a final world upheaval and realignment of some years.

And these are things even researching high school kids interested in globalism and geo-politics are also coming to understand as simply the reality of a natural human governmental evolution that created nationalism, and that is merely evolving to globalism as the foundational concept of world government, way way beyond the theoretical scale of a UN control center not yet in full control of even the EU and US national components of it's own main supporters, and we are at the beginning of te final stage, NOT it's end.

So how can Bethel live in a 1980 mental state of world power awareness, act as if national power is some apex form of world power, act as if the UN is even now a true "8th King", and act as if "it can end anytime brothers", when in fact it cannot end "anytime", it must proceed to a true apex form of internationalized final power 8, and it has to make certain and assured worldwide claims of apex super-sovereign power, and it has to have control of the dominant national powers 100% to do so. And that will take a decade, plus minus.

These are globalism process basics.

Instead Bethel is priming JW loyalty not to God or Christ, but to the GB, elders and the "organizational arrangement" as the source of protection when the first global shockwave of this inevitable final cycle actually hits. (e.g. WT 11/15/2013. pg. 20, par, 17) And they are explicitly telling JWs to obey any and all directives of relocation. And yet, this is a period that MUST go on for years, so where are they actually going to lead JWs when the bombs of the first cycle, or whatever, start to blow?

What is Bethel REALLY doing here?

They are going to lead JWs to "Egypt", into proverbial worldwide King South hands subservient to international agenda, while they hoist up another King North national or terror group decoy as the attacker, while they and the actual 8th King (real internationalist King North) are going to capture all the WT billion in assets, already setup for this fall, and seize, remove or destroy all WT resources worldwide. Then they are going to vanish, and leave the JWs left bewildered to pick up any pieces left, while the international order will be like 5-7 years from first uni-polar super-sovereign actuality. Meaning this is all taking place in the first three years of the first required worldwide national upheavals preparing for the internationalization streamlining process. Meaning JWs are organizationally wiped out in two years at the start of the cycle.

That is what I feel the WT is actually up to, and their UN record and other dubious activities and cover-ups only adds to the evidence they really also do not believe their own ministry. Instead they full well know the internationalist cycle that MUST develop in this national engineered implosion, world war, and tribulatory cycle. Yes, there will be a tribulation, that is all they are accurate about. No, no "Armageddon" is going to come for some years, because that "tribulation" and it's world war must and will end to present an actual full bodied, worldwide supra-national complete world government and international system of uni-polar "8th King" rulership. (and all that by WT theology and various scriptures also ignored in this process of JW brainwash).

And the Bethel fakes at the top who engineer the JW mental world into a perpetual 1980 awareness and stagnant and overly simplistic brainwash, know all this as well. They are already part of the internationalizing process of the 8th King overall global process at the WT for 50 years, and the WT is one of the treasure troves that will aid the asset transference to fuel their part of this world government engine at start-up, and will iron out any possibility of even the peaceful dissension potential in JWs and as much as possible their former worldwide reach. JWs are just one wrinkle to be ironed out in the first 2 to 3 years of the internationalist overdrive cycle commencement leading to King 8, but are apparently on the top of the scheduled list with some other wrinkles to get ironed first.

That is why I believe, atleast in this current pattern of corruption and duplicitious WT "leadership" and obvious hidden agendas, the Watchtower and Bethel system of today is living on borrowed time, and worldwide it's days are now numbered. How successful that erasure will be I feel will not meet "8th King" expectations, JWs will arise from the ashes. Then they will finally actually teach, what the prophecies actually describe, while they are in the midst of that self-same progression to a full King 8 "world government". Like national powers, they will simply have a rude awakening, but will regroup as a tough wrinkle, a peaceful but incorrigible rebel crease that just won't go away.

At that time, years from now, "it can end any day now brothers" will actually be true. At that time the whole prophetic pattern is actually in full form and in final action, rather than today's premature and way incomplete Bethel illusion that neither affirms globalism logic or their own "theology". Today's Bethel is playing dumb on purpose to aid the first stage of this drama.

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The End Of The Anglo American World Power

by metatron in

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friends

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-13/chinas-official-press-agency-calls-new-reserve-currency.

china is openly calling for the end of us political and economic dominance of the world.

they ain't playin'.

anonymouz

I doubt that China will "takeover" from the USA. And, I do not think they want to.

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That is true even for Russia. But China is in a period of boom and good times for the elites, with a conservative trajectory that will deliver them over the US and EU in a century naturally, and want nothing to throw a wrench into this cinderella story.

It is the US and EU powers who have no alternative now but to cover their 3 foot deep tracks up, loaded down with 12 years of US and EU loot and gold tat is now completely out of te realm of national power access, whose tracks run through the national government, through organized finance, to international locales of power. In banking terms even over 90% of "monetary" volume is all digital. So that stuff is pure fiction held in satellites capable of being "located" in any digital form. No one can actually touch that means of fueling the hard wealth acquisition that that multi-trillions in debt and unfunded [national] liabilities already in theory is also in internationalist hands.

So the EU and US are the ones that require a sort of scapegoat event to cover up the fact they are te main culprits of a worldwide national collapse that must evolve from that debt hole that the US national ruling zombies went hogwild creating after 911. And it all converges back to the US national government as the conduit of the con. The US average Joe is who will "foot the bill".

That is why the next set of world events MUST distract away from the simple and well evidenced actual story of the pillage, and project it onto a scapegoat, and to decelerate China in the process, but eventually China and Russia must kiss te Anglo-AMerican INTERNATIONAL elites feet. Even te US national elites must do so as well. And thus this distraction will probably have a "monetary" related target, and in the end will aid the whole internationalizing process, because the internationalist element is actually the richest it has ever been in hard assets, and the national MASSIVE losses invariably will equal internationalist gain, because they will "re-invent" a globalized wealt system, just like the fiction they did invent for national use, programmed to of course lead to this out come. They can simply whip out a solution from thin air, back it with resources they have in quadrillions growing daily, and shift tose resources as needed in either fictional or actual form to nations sinking into a tar pit, like a 50 foot rope to pull out the national mammoths to "save the day".

A war event just makes sure the national mammoths get into the tarpit fully, to be hauled out later as subservient and grateful turtles.

Soon world war will be te only alternative for the US fiscal negligence, ONLY some one else can actually foot Amerca's and EU's bill, and it aint the public this time, it will be international power that set up the play to go this way, but those nations will ave to sell off their entire national physical resources for that "payment". And the payment (and it's globalized "solution" complex), again, will be pure fiction, but as long as some actual backing exists, and it will in mass quantity, and the national powers believe it, which they will, they will accept a reciept of "salvation" for their entire nations.

Then international power will continue the trajectory, as this will affect all the biggest powers first, everyone else will tumble in like eggs in time. But, true, it will be a time of "peace and security" in the hands of uni-polar international power who can war on anyone trying to break that peace from 10 miles above their head, at light speed. It will be a time of world peace, at the same time a few hold outs and some expendables will be being removed "during" "a freddom from care".

And that is not happening next week or next year, even if it started tommorrow, it will take a decade plus minus, to get it in it's first completed phase of hegemony.

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The End Of The Anglo American World Power

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-13/chinas-official-press-agency-calls-new-reserve-currency.

china is openly calling for the end of us political and economic dominance of the world.

they ain't playin'.

anonymouz

I thought I simply heard the brother assuring us that the U.S. would be the last world power.

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Well there is an 8th King you should remind that brother. And point out by WT theology the US [national alliance] power with Britain is 7th in the sequence. It is logical 8 comes after 7.

So the "7th King" Anglo-American national power must in fact become subservient 100%, to the 8th King international rulership in the logic of 8 following 7. The UN itself is a 17 acre complex of dated buildings in NY state, and is but a forum representing an ACTUAL world government of international hegemony. It is not actually the full "8th King", just a foundation of it's creation.

And that will take YEARS to complete number 8 to full world rulership. Thus it is apparent the WT is actually AIDING the transition to 8th King international power, over the first couple years of that transition, with a simplified manufactured expectation complex that "the end" is soon. Yes, it is. The end of the US national 7th King kingship. (but the arrival of the international component beginning to replace it by transition).

And the worldwide 8th King ascension upon the 7th head national crumpled body, merely means a US focused globalization structure will replace the 7th King Anglo-American [national power] "brain" and "central nervous system" with 8th King modifed ruling devices implanted into the former "chains of command". And not just in the US, but all nations must undergo such a national lobotomy, for an international "transplant" in the coming decade, it is NOT an overnight affair as JWs are misled to believe aiding the "end of the world" mentality that leaves people vulnerable in a period that is a transition of a number of years to complete King number 8 complete international power.

You may try to explain to that brother the difference between US national power and US internationalist power. US internationalist power is meraly part of an international 8th King global government with many other internationalized former "national" powers, which the UN is just one "department" in that worldwide system. The UN is merely the main "conference room", the 8th King is the entire government "building" worldwide of international government.

This is how you know JWs are undergoing a purposeful personal lobotomy of known globalization facts. JWs are being set-up to be deconstructed in the first three years of internationalizing overdrive events globally. The theology is too purposely simplisitic, leads JWs into organizational herding conduits, and cultures a 1980 view of world power, as if national power is the apex form of world power, as if international world government will never come, as if the next world war is "the end of the world" when it is just the required womb of tranition to birth full 8th King international world government power like after all the world wars, 1, 2, and 3 (cold war) before it all birthed a UN presentation and progression towards full "8th Kingdom" international world government actuality, the actual power and resources in full 8th King control internationally to do so.

The UN itself is not that entity, just a snapshot of it, a concept, an international boys club.

The JW system is already globalized to aid the deconstuction and re-allocation of WT wealth resources to aid the first stage towards internationalized gradual power. The WT theological programming and central cabal-like rulling structure also makes it appear like a production to handle the JW global element in the first phases of the transiton, with other national and internationalized organizations doing likewise with their own "herds". When we keep in mind a full international order will take a decade or so to get up and running, and must have a global set of war events (in various arenas of power), to actually finalize the national deathstroke, and the recovery into an actually believable world peace actuality.

The 8th King will end that period of engineered "induced labor" from space locales and by war bots, so traditional "fields" of "war" are irrelevant to true 8th King international weapons paradigms and application. (The international power knows all this, Russia and China and US national leaders are as dumb as the average JW, many of them too will have to be "reorganized")

No one at a "GB" level of corporate understanding could actually be this unaware of basic globalization processes. They MUST be purposely aiding the globalizing process with fabricated expectations that facilitate the work of dividing up their "herd" prior to "reorganized" absorption into "safe houses" Bethel shall "provide" at the time of the first phase, over a couple years globally.

Those "safe houses" will be far from actually safe. And the world will not end as JWs left remaining will expect "any day now", the international order is in fact just beginning.

THAT is how far off course Bethel has led JWs. They must now complete the "shepherd's" journey to the corrall. They are almost there now.

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The End Of The Anglo American World Power

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-13/chinas-official-press-agency-calls-new-reserve-currency.

china is openly calling for the end of us political and economic dominance of the world.

they ain't playin'.

anonymouz

Yes, but remember that the WT is adamant that the end of the U.S. as world power means the end of the world. When that prophecy fails, it doesn't bode well for the Society.

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You hit the nail on the head. The WT will actually AID the transition to the international order on one hand, by causing a mass bewilderment period on the other and over JWs and people believing the current false expectation propaganda. Bethel is just one of many entities that are aiding the process by engineered confusion that leaves those believing it vulnerable to be led to liquidation or transitional facilities, among other neutralizing objectives of the international transition.

In fact the WT organization itself is a conduit already programming it's members to:

"At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not." (WT 11/15/2013; pg. 20, par. 17)

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Well it seems WT leaders are very certain of "that time", but uncertain "directives" will just be swallowed and instantly obeyed by JWs, so they are priming JWs to not only obey, but to be herded, and to probably car pool to the "safe house" as if the aloof GB has the whole placed mapped out for certain "safety" worldwide.

The Bethel system has it mapped out alright, for the internationalist world order first sweep of the herding process to internment and liquidation. JWs will lead the procession. The WT theology and the obvious mental programming is all indicating they want JWs and others to be bewildered aiding their redirection in the first couple years, in many sub-events worldwide, of this inevitable process; voluntarily by WT corporate mandate. (Expect more mental alignments of obedience to precede the opening events).

And individual decision aided by fear and confusion is like birds fleeing a good hiding place into the range of the "hunter", his "shotgun" and his "dogs". Meaning civil unrest also aids the herding process as enraged or confused people will deliver themselves into the sweep; voluntarily.

So, keep you cool, get into a "cage" with as few other "gerbils" in it as possible, may be even get out of the "pet shop" completely, and do not over react to the fear, terror and confusion of something whose first wave cannot sustain for more than a couple years, in my opinion. Just keep your cool, and know it will indeed go on for a decade of big transitions being carried out in the national regions of priority, it may include nukes and what have you, but in time it will actually lead to a period of world recovery similar to the end of WW2 in the US system of that time.

But this recovery will be pretty much global, and capable of sustaining that great recovery for potential, not guaranteed, but for decades. Hope is what the internationalists will create for the world, hope is a carrot to use after the chaos provides a proper contrast against the hope to be offered. They want most people to follow the new international order, and know how to turn tribulation into hope, in time, to achieve that kind of world following, in fact with strong conviction in many being recovered into this period of hope and world peace; and actual globalized resources, distributed properly, to back the recovery into that period of stabilizing transition.

People will see this unfold over at least a decade, but world changing events and internationalist preparatory announcements will begin to be made over the next 7 years approximately.

Do not believe it is "the end", it is not, it is in fact "a beginning". And obviously the internationalist populated GB knows all this, it is logical, it is known geo-political modeling, it is required in the globalization process. Thus they must be willing aids, playing dumb, fooling everyone, to do their part in the initial preparatory global "sifting" in their "field", and NOT of "the wheat" and "the weeds" if you know what I mean.

It's "the end" of national power, and the beginning of international power. All the nations international "tents" will be in good order, the national decline must aid the international ascension gradually, with some abruptions, then it will smooooooooooth out globally.

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Disfellowshipping

by Legacy in

i wanted to know if anyone on here was df'd or know of any who were...why i ask is because many of the friends i have spoken to, say it's not done, just like that.

it's a process.

i have spoken to a re-instated sister and she said by the time they see you, you are pretty much out.

anonymouz

Well the UN NGO pretty much filthies up all the congregations (Zech3:1-3), so DFing must have another purpose, as what "anointed" leaders join the UN??? Meaning, obviously straining gnats in DFs to keep congs clean, is ridiculous if the GB dines on a rotten UN/NGO Camel at Bethel for TWENTY years and still does not tell all JWs officially of the UN NGO affair.

Obviously something is way off at Bethel.

So I will just cover one not so easy to see purpose of DFing. It is designed in one way to cut off weak sheep, who truly are struggling with various fleshly weaknesses, who may need "intensive care" spiritually through MANY falls and trials, FOR YEARS. Meaning a cut and dried conquest of nicotine alone may take a decade or more from someone truly repentant the whole time. And one can apply that concept to many other disruptive battles many weak sheep, and strong sheep go through. But JW elders are REQUIRED to have very short time limits, and also a tactless style of shepherding that makes many JWs leave out of being hurt and angered rather than the original "offense".

But the GB knows supporting weak sheep WILL cost money. THAT is the bottom line.

If one truly shepherds the sheep, you will feed and house people struggling with drugs and alcohol all the way to Armageddon. And rightly so, that is exactly what Christ DID. And that money, that should be aiding the recovery of now 7 million plus fallen, sick and weak sheep, is now in the GB belly and in Bethel BILLION in assets and properties, because those men are GREEDY power drunks.

And to extend the guilt, now JWs can also "agree" with the Bethel "holy men" directive and ALSO cut off YEARS of aid that ailing sheep WILL need, and have a "holy" excuse to remove themselves from the divine responsibility;

And that is why self-righteousness is cultured by the GB, so JWs can have a psychological blind to merely cut-off and shun ones not conquering their various desires in say a month or three - and that lets JWs off a "love your neighbor as yourself" hook that requires EVEN MORE love for brothers and sisters to cut off those struggling from ANY AND ALL JW support from this iceberg of modern congregations kicking back weak JW "penguins" back into the sea, to save more fish for the GB wormwood central igloo, and to render JWs a world known cold bunch REQUIRED to aid the spiritual slaughter of THEIR OWN brothers and sisters, RATHER THAN a GUARANTEED lifetime of supporting weak and sick sheep - which is what it is all about to God. In that dimension of love, which now most JWs are just a clashing cymbal in hypocrisy that is also oh so convenient for both Bethel and the average cheapskate JW who must direct all resources to the Bethel billionaires, JWs are now bankrupt in true compassion.

But the main spiritual magicians and money mathematicians at Bethel well KNOW, that DFing has made them an extra 700 million dollars in funds (over a decade, conservative) given to those thieves by clever redirection, rather than going to congreagtionally local sheep and their families WHO ACTUALLY NEED IT. Bethel is NOT a bunch of stupid old men (like they want everyone to think they are), they know exactly how to extract maximum profit from 7 million duped active JWs and also lead those JWs into deep sins prior to a judgment in the process.

And that is not the only reason why the "inquisition" DFing is used, but you get the idea. Love your brothers and sisters REGARDLESS what the Bethel aloof millionaire elites may say, they are going down hard in that judgment, they have lived a soft and heart fattening easy life looking busy with part-time jobs they call "full time service", laughing at JWs in a total acting production. But not for long....

No one reproaches God and Christ and simply skips off to an early retirement "with all his belongings" like those Bethel UN NGO frauds. DFing is KILLING the sheep and squelching the congregational divine blessing to non-existent (Mal2), and everyone knows it but JWs "strong sheep", who are just the most obedient to the GB and organizational idols, not God or Christ.

The "love" has cooled in JWs to iceberg proportions (and due to lawlessness as the divine blessing vacates the building), lets not kid ourselves any longer. KH's need no A/C, they are already cold as ice.

JWs have by and large been as misled as Jerusalem was by the Pharisees, same overall attitudes and symptoms and judgment. The pattern merely repeats in JWs overly focused on the sins of the Jews, Christendom and weak sheep, misled by self-approved leaders as lawless and cold as the Pharisees, merely parroting "love" and "Bible" to give an appearance to the contrary.

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who left the BORG after finding out about "Conspiracy Theories" ???

by crossquestions6995 in

im new here on the forum.

i been "dissasociated" for about a year n a half.

i left after reading the bible cover to cover and discovering the truth about 9/11, illuminati, masons, witchcraft, new world order, paranormal activity, ufos, etc.

anonymouz

Well it is a two-edged sword, rather than a clean condemnation; Here is what I mean.

1914 'JWs to become' were in the midst of a very unique "illuminati" event, that is the "League of nations" first internationalist world government forum in world history since Genesis 11, in 1919; But it was to be a few years afterwards that 'JWs to be' rendered Revelation 13:11-15 as an "illuminati" project signaling a unique period in human history and human governmental evolution, for internationalist, or what some call globalist, government, as world government is far far different than typical national governments regardless of ideological basis;

Just presenting the League of Nations was truly an astounding world event for the Illuminati.

So basically it is JWs who have linked the Revelation 13:11 "two horned wildbeast" as an independent internationalist elite Satanic anointed "illuminati" who use Revelation 13:1 invited "masons" to build the "image of the wildbeast" (Rev13:11-15) which is this UN related "League of Nations" main "illuminati" world government to have four cycles of world presentation, each after a world war; (and each foretold);

WW1 produced the League of Nations (Rev13:11-15; 1919), WW2 produced a revamped version as the United Nations (Rev17:8-11; 1945) and cold world war 3 (Dan11:29) produced the Illuminati version of a "New World Order" mode of initiative of that United Nations world government (Dan11:31b; 1990); That third UN Illuminati placement is also foretold at Daniel 11:31b, as are all UN placements foretold in the Bible; The 4th UN placement is full Illuminati "King North" world government at Daniel 11:45; (Like their pal anointer Satan as also King of the "remotest parts of the north", meaning outer space, will also manifest with 4th placement; (Eze38-39).

So JWs also exposed the UN 2nd placement as Biblical prophecy, that time prior to it's arrival, rather than in hindsight;

But in 1990, rather than expose the 3rd UN placement of Daniel 11:30-32, JWs became Illuminati UN NGO, and instead co-promoted the 3rd UN placement with world placement quotes in their journals starting with Awake! 9/8/1991;

So JWs have exposed Illuminati as two-horned wildbeast elite internationalist world government architects since say 1920, yet in 1990 they join the two-horned wildbeast with anointed members in the Governing Body, not of God, but of the Devil, as is obvious with their 10 years of UN co-promotions right under JW noses as "illuminati" covenanted UN NGO;

And there in lies the two edged sword;

Some time after the full world Biblical expose' of the United Nations of 1945 as "seed of Satan" activity of a second UN placement as foretold, and before the 3rd UN placement of 1990 also foretold (Dan11:31b), JWs started instead to cover up the United Nations prophecies, as 3rd placement (Dan11:30-31) must lead to the 4th UN placement logically at Daniel 11:45;

Since JWs were the ONLY ones on planet earth connecting the "illuminati" world government to prophecy, they certainly could not originally have been aligned with the "illuminati" in exposing this critical feature in 2 UN related placements fulfilling Bible prophecy in 1919 and 1945, no "illuminati" exposes his own operations, especially ones the world at that time had no idea was also in prophecy;

(All Christian claimant exposers of Revelation wildbeasts and Illuminti activities are based on 1920 and 1940 worl of JWs, NO ONE ELSE exposed te truth of that sovereign defiant progression leading to Armageddon, JWs pioneered that truth for God by Christ, no other way could the Illuminati be exposed properly, and JWs did it first, in connection to Bible propecy, not the "illuminati" in general)

Thus according to this rationale and "theory", JWs have to have been compromised prior to the 3rd UN placement to cover up it's significance, and instead join the Illuminati world campaign of promotions in 1991-2001 as allied Illuminati UN NGO;

And who came about in 1976, just 15 years prior to the JWs joining the Illuminati "UN family of organizations", in 1991?

Ye Olde Governing Body, that's who.

The Governing Body in Bethel takeover of 1976, taking all individual leader power from Nathan Knorr and Fred Franz for a "rule by committee" that had to have Illuminati placements (in hindsight evidence), then in factional control, NOW in full control, is the entry point into JWs some time after UN 2nd placement exposure of the 1940s;

I think you can put it all together now; JWs have not been "illuminati" from day one, it is an expert subversion (and foretold) and takeover by "illuminati" scale intelligence to subvert the whole Christian ministry through Bethel as an "illuminati" UN annex and control center heading for fourth placement UN (Matt24:15 UN NGO), while JWs are still at 2nd placement understanding.

That is why diverting the 3rd and 4th UN prophetic placements is also an Illuminati goal, because of JWs worldwide reach with information to many millions of people, not just JWs;

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But of course such a trespass must have ramifications and a purge from Christ who is far stronger than Satan or the dying "illuminators" who are mere Adamic men with expiration dates that cannot be reversed. Meaning you WILL see some astounding events develop in JWs, who by and large have no idea what we are talking about, in the next 5 years. I mean a covert divine Christ being "visitation" to remove the Illuminati elements in JWs - GUARANTEED, because JWs have to expose the 3rd and 4th UN placements because of course, that leads to an Armageddon JWs are now derailed from comprehending due to this subversion; (and so is the JW audience misled as well);

UN world government is very serious Illuminati world domination affairs that WILL end in the conquest of God and Christ in power of the Messianic Kingdom opponent. And that is why the Illuminati use JWs to now actually cover-up and subvert that actuality now scheduled in the next approximate decade; (Dan11:42-45 connects to Dan12 live and real-time). STARTING (1Pet4:17) with the JW "visitation" of Christ and a few angels to boot the Bethel subversion prior to the absolute end.

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Thus JWs exposed the Illuminati main control center (Rev13:11), their basis of workers (Rev13:1) and their final world governmental internationalist world government; (Rev17:12-17); Thus JWs cannot be fully Illuminati, nor was their origins with that group, but opposed to it in Messianic Kingdom anointed of God - similar to Illuminati anointed of Satan, BUT of course members of the Christ of God as also anointed, but diametric "Kinights"; And that is who JWs will given back to, Christ's lead anointed Knight's in te anointed "body of the Christ" to head for 144000 completion of the rival world government against the Illuminati in the Messianic Kingdom, to annihilate the Illuminati world goverment, whose days are numbered. (Rev19:19-21)

No other religious group has had this key Christ "roundtable" within their system of faith after the 1914 period of affirmation in head on Illuminati exposure by prophecy - and that is why it will also be returned, because it is prophecy; (Zech4:6-9), and it sets up the perfect final expose' to eventually develop from this purification and initial visitation of Christ in covert form, but in Earth's physical and universal space (Zech9:8), to remain as such until Armageddon to oversee the final mission. (Rev10-11)

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Well an Elder told me why all the new revised NWT bibles are grey/gray in color

by StoneWall in

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while in discussion with an elder from my old congregation, he asked if i had been given an opportunity to see the new bibles yet.. i told him yes that a family member had showed me one a few days back and some of the improvements (changes) that were in it.. as our conversation went along he asked me what i thought of the color.

i said well its certainly different from the black cover i was so used to or even going back further a few decades the green covered bibles when i was a child.

(we both got a chuckle out of that).

anonymouz

Maybe it is 33% grey as a subtle reminder of Revelation 8 "1/3" corruption of the JW "earth" organization? Maybe scarlet red Bibles will be next in honor of the UN NGO "scarlet wildbeast" JW co-promotions of the 1990 UN placement...

We never know what the evil slave will come up with next presented as "food" or "light", go figure.