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Introduction and a note on several posts here

by LizO in

hey people,.

as for myself, after extensive study i have concluded that it's not possible for me to trust the bible and so i am not active anymore.

however, let me please add something to the discussions here:.

undercover

Anyone who has stayed a couple of years around [the Catholics] knows that the organization is full of good and at atimes wonderful people.

Yet they still have a child abuse scandal among many other issues

Anyone who has stayed a couple of years around [the Mormons] knows that the organization is full of good and at atimes wonderful people.

Yet they still have a dark history (Smith, pologamy and racism) and still have nutty beliefs (magic underwear, book of Mormon)

Anyone who has stayed a couple of years around [the JWs] knows that the organization is full of good and at atimes wonderful people.

Yet they also have a child abuse problem, a dark history (Russell the kook, Rutherford the drunk, F. Franz the delusional), a pattern of false prophecies, ever constantly changing main doctrine, and blood guilt (transfusions).

Anyone who has stayed a couple of years around [Christians] knows that the organization is full of good and at atimes wonderful people.

Yet they believe in a magic man in the sky who controls our destiny

Point is, nice or not, people can be delusionally ignorant. And when that ignorance keeps you associated with a high control group like the JWs, it not only harms them, it harms others as they seek to gain converts through their WTS mandated preaching work. I don't like to harp on the rank and file, the real enemy is the WTS, but as long as people allow themselves to worship the WTS, then they have to suffer whatever criticism is heaped on them for being associated with the bOrg.

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Anyone busted on apostate site. JCs how are they handled.

by joe134cd in

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i'm just wondering has any body ever been busted on an apostate site because someone was able to identify them because of something they wrote.

why i ask this question is because how would this be explained at a jc.

because the person who reported it to the jc was reading something that they shouldn't of.

undercover

Unless people post personal identifying information, there is not much risk - you are an anonymous person on the internet.

The people who have been identified very often aren't hiding who they are - that is their choice and right. Everyone can chose their own path.

Case in point: Me. I've been here pretty long now. Hard to believe I'm one of the old timers of the board, but even though I probably have divulged a little too much here and there, I've been careful to not give enough info about me personally where I could be outed. Call it paranoia, but when people are out to get you, it's just good planning. And even that is going overboard, 'cause after so long, no one really is after me, but I find it prudent to keep the guard up.

Some here (very few) have been busted, because as Simon said, they didn't hide who they were...or didn't do a good job of it anyway.

But, if someone should see a pattern or some circumstantial evidence and they accuse you of being 'so-and-so' on that JWD apostate board, all you have to do is deny, deny, deny. Anything short of posting, "HI! My name is _____ and I attend the ___________congregation in Hicksville USA", they're only taking a stab at it. It's only an accusation. And without two witnesses, they don't have anything on you.

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Can this logic be refuted?

by notsurewheretogo in

i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.

i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!

i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.

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They couldn't charge with me apostasy if you go by their own definition of apostasy...

Oh yes they can. They can 'charge' you with anything that three of them agree upon. Facts, evidence, attitude don't mean shit when elders decide to go after someone.

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Who from JWN would you most like to have dinner with?

by laverite in

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if you could pick anyone from jwn to meet in real life to meet and have dinner with, who would that be?

let's exclude all those who you are already friends with, who you know and love from jwn in real life.

so or me, that excludes my friend ann and also curious butterfly.

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We should have a convention

We don't have to wear our convention clothes and name tags to dinner and clubbing/drinking afterwards, do we?

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Can this logic be refuted?

by notsurewheretogo in

i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.

i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!

i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.

undercover

But I do want to explain the situation to the elders.

I have a folder full of notes made from my research...

I stopped reading at that point. Nothing you say will matter. No amount of proof or undeniable logic will sway them. They're in a cult. They're still indoctrinated to believe what they're told to believe. They'll follow the rules they're told to follow. And as soon as you start laying out your 'research', they're going to go after you, to have you DFd, then stoned (wait, they can't kill you under current local laws, though if allowed they would).

If you can't afford that, then you have to keep the fade up and use theocratic strategy... lie. Tell em crap. Tell em anything but that you're apostate or you don't believe. This is a war for your sanity and freedom. Do not fraternize with the enemy. These guys aren't your friends. They're loyal to the WTS first.

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intel on warwick project

by stuckinamovement in

the committee assigned to build the new complex was called into a meeting with the governing body.

they were told " you finish this project by january 1 2017. we want the keys to the complex and will be headquartered there by that date, do you understand?".

when the brothers protested and said that it would take 6 years for the project to be complete and if they moved that fast there would be many mistakes, the gb responded, "we don't care, that is your deadline".

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Vidiot: An earlier thread mentioned something about the GB (or their reps) meeting privately with the Warwick city council and effectively promising not to proselytize in the area in exchange for municipal approval on the complex.

Sir82: I'd also like to see any documentation of this.

I'd like to see some proof of this as well. The religious organization that went all the way to the Supreme Court to fight for the right to go door-to-door, to defend not saluting the flag, etc, etc, buckles under when a small podunk town's city council asks them to not preach in their town? uh uh. I don't buy it. Even though the WTS is as crooked as most town councils...and cheaper, I don't see them caving to that kind of pressure from a group of rubes. If you have constitutional rights to proselytize, why would you agree to give that up? That request could be challenged in court... and defeated.

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Sparlock is helping Mormons

by cedars in

check out this awesome video - part 7 in a series where a mormon uses the witnesses as a proxy to figure out why his own faith is wrong.. sparlock, hassan's bite model, and even the 2013 "human apostates" convention talk all make cameos.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmesmlhydru.

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cedars.

undercover

Watched this the other day. I got the impression that this was actually an ex-JW under the guise of being Mormon, highlighting JW tactics to expose the Mormon faith so as to 'trap' unsuspecting JWs into watching the entire video without screaming, "APOSTATE!" and fleeing in fear.

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Friend gets "scriptural divorce" over wifes transgressions before they got married...

by sosoconfused in

so i have a friend in a congregation in new jersey who recently called me to tell me that he got a divorce.

nothing surprising there at first but it is the fact of when it happened.

his wife began pioneering april 1, and after about three weeks she came to him and told him that about 4 years she had engaged in loose conduct (fondling the penis and the guy kissing her breasts) during a time that she was inactive.

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I do know however that if a brother who is married goes to a strip club and pays for a lap dance it is considered adultery. This was told to us by our instructor at the week long elders school.

I seriously doubt that. That's waaaayyy too easy to get rid of your wife, especially if you don't want to go through all that trouble of having an affair.

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