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  New announcement at this weeks midweek meeting?

  by rosyray in

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  the congregation i'm from is having their meeting tonight.

  my husband said that his brother in law, who is an elder, called and said that there were going to be some big announcements tonight and to bring a notepad, because you will want to take notes.. does anybody know about this and what are the announcements?

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  About the seemingly turnaround on using tablets...

  The WTS/JWs is a reactionary organization anymore. Or has been for the last 50 some years. In the early days of Russell and even Rutherford, they were progressive. Using motion pictures, radio, phonographs, all new and modern technology. But along the way it was decided since Jesus didn't lug around a phonograph player, then Jah's people shouldn't either.

  Even through the 70s, the printing was cutting edge... but that was because you had free labor in the printing rooms all the way down to the street hawkers. They could afford it.

  But as the computer age exploded and the Internet and personal computers, PDAs, then smartphones, tablets, became everyday tools, the WTS grew afraid of this information superhighway at one's fingertips. They sought to demonize it and scare people away from it. But when even their senior citizens have to rely on the Internet to do their jobs, or run their households, they can't beat it. They had to come around and embrace it. And I think they finally learned that by harping on it, it only encouraged people to defy them. So they did a turnabout, started working on how to use the technology, and hoping to keep fear in the sheeple to only use that WT app on their iPhone, and not go out googling JWs and finding JWfacts.com
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  Awake! January 2014 - Which 'basic' kind are humans?

  by bats in the belfry in

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  2. bible

  god did not make life in a simple form and allow it to evolve into more complex forms.

  instead, he created basic kinds of complex plants and animals, which then reproduced according to their kinds.

  ( genesis 1:11, 21, 24 ) this process, which continues today, has resulted in the earth being filled with the same kinds of life that god originally created.. the bible does not specify how much variation can occur within a kind, as might result when animals within a kind interbreed and adapt to their environment.

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  I also imagine that it won't be too long before the WT has to admit that "evolution" by the strict dictionary definition is a reality.

  You may have hit on something there. The WTS never drops a bomb like change in doctrine. They set it up with subtle changes, such as redefining words and phrases. Doesn't matter that it has no basis in real life or fact, but in dubland, if you control the information, you can make the people believe whatever you want.

  With this confusing, somewhat contradictory statement, they may be setting up a slow change in how they define 'evolution' and how they can slowly convince their followers that belief in 'evolution' is consistent with their doctrines. It's not an overnight thing. It'll take a couple years or more.

  We should keep an 'evolution watch' on em and see what they print over the next couple of years. Naw... I've gotta life. Don't really care that much...
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  "Apostates" Who Return To Their Own Vomit

  by minimus in

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  once you realize ttatt, how can anyone with half a brain, go back??.

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  I just posted this on another thread, about SlimBoyFat going back:

  A few people have wondered how one could post here for so long, act as if you're leaving/fading and then do a 180 and go back. I know a couple of people who are still active and pretending to be faithful dubs, yet are fully awakened to the lie that is "the Truth". What I've noticed is that when they spend so much time associating with those people (JWs), they are still influenced by them, even when they don't truly believe in the doctrine. Their world view can be skewed by their constant indoctrinal talks, meetings, asseblies, etc.

  If you're one of those people, there comes a time when you either are going to go crazy, trying to pretend you're something you're not, or you make a change away from the insanity of living a lie. So you have two basic choices: 1. You leave. You finally pull the trigger, cut the cord, break it off, whatever. You take a stand AGAINST the WTS and you move on with your life, chips falling where they may. Or - 2. You give up and you give in. You can't fight em. Your family outnumbers you. They're stronger. They win. You go back and give it your all. It happens.
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  Awake! January 2014 - Which 'basic' kind are humans?

  by bats in the belfry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  god did not make life in a simple form and allow it to evolve into more complex forms.

  instead, he created basic kinds of complex plants and animals, which then reproduced according to their kinds.

  ( genesis 1:11, 21, 24 ) this process, which continues today, has resulted in the earth being filled with the same kinds of life that god originally created.. the bible does not specify how much variation can occur within a kind, as might result when animals within a kind interbreed and adapt to their environment.

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  Modern research supports the idea that the basic categories of plants and animals have changed little over vast periods of time.

  Is that a direct quote?

  That sentance alone torpedoes their belief in the flood story. To believe in a world wide flood 4000 years ago, one has to accept that animals, and humans as well, have changed drastically over 4000 years. Much more quickly than any modern research indicates it takes life to evolve, or as the WTS wants to put it, 'adapt'.

  Remember, the WTS uses the word 'kind' when talking about how many animals were on the ark. There were two (or seven, depending on which verse you're reading) of every 'kind'... so they're were two canines, not two of every type of breed of dog. And from that 'kind', the canine, came all the types of wolves, coyotes, dogs, dingos, etc that populate the planet today. And this all happened in just 4000 years. Yet, above they accept that "the basic categories of animals have changed little over vast periods of time"
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  Goodbye JWD/JWN (my last post)

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. friends

  after some considerable thought i have decided that i will no longer post on this forum because i want to return to jehovah.

  thank you for all the kindness and many interesting discussions over the years.

  i wish you all well in the future and the decisions you make.

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  I'm not here very often anymore, so I'm just seeing where Slim has said goodbye. He mentioned, 'not fitting in', or something similar. To me, it wasn't that so much as he didn't fall in step with whatever was popular at the moment. Even ex-dubs fall prey to a group mentality when they get to criticizing the WTS. Not Slim. He seemed to find a way to look thru it all and come to his own conclusion on the matter. Sometimes it fit in with the popular opinion. Sometimes it didn't, and he didn't mind saying so.

  A few people have wondered how one could post here for so long, act as if you're leaving/fading and then do a 180 and go back. I know a couple of people who are still active and pretending to be faithful dubs, yet are fully awakened to the lie that is "the Truth". What I've noticed is that when they spend so much time associating with those people (JWs), they are still influenced by them, even when they don't truly believe in the doctrine. Their world view can be skewed by their constant indoctrinal talks, meetings, asseblies, etc.

  If you're one of those people, there comes a time when you either are going to go crazy, trying to pretend you're something you're not, or you make a change away from the insanity of living a lie. So you have two basic choices: 1. You leave. You finally pull the trigger, cut the cord, break it off, whatever. You take a stand AGAINST the WTS and you move on with your life, chips falling where they may. Or - 2. You give up and you give in. You can't fight em. Your family outnumbers you. They're stronger. They win. You go back and give it your all. It happens.

  So long Slim. I enjoyed your posts over the years. I hope you find happiness whereever your path takes you.
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  New JW Bible nickname

  by JWOP in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had a face to face conversation with an active jw today.

  i was informed that they congregations don't like the new bible being referred to as the "gray bible", so some are starting to refer to it as the silver sword.. .

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  "Watchtower Down"

  (Obscure reference that only my twisted brain could come with)
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  As A JW, Did You Get Involved In Politics At All?

  by minimus in

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  2. current

  since jws are to be no part of the world, it would seem implausible that any witness would even talk about political preferences.. after being on this site for over a decade, it seems to me that there are a number of closeted political junkies.. were you vocal at all about politics and about the town/city/state or country that you were in?.

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  Not really. I did try to stay neutral, but I had opinions. I just kept them to myself and didn't make comments very often. I would make a comment here and there around people I knew who felt the same way or who were a little more open minded than the average run-of-the-mill, brain dead dub. Keep low and outa sight was my motto as a dub. If you didn't make waves, you could pretty much go about your business without much bother...up to a point anyway
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  The Real Aftermath of the AGM...Part 2

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  for the ones based in britain only the "few" were invited to attend the agm .they received their new grey bible and the rumor was that the new bible will not be available for the rest of the congragations until january .it was confirmed tonight .a letter was read as local announcement that the new bibles will not be available until the end of january for the rest of the congragation .all the in crowd were sat there with their new flashy bible looking smug.also the bible reading was read from the new bible to make it all the more obvious ..... the real aftermath of agm....

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  Bitch bitch bitch. That's all dubs seem to do. So you didn't get invited to the annual sycophant club meeting. And you didn't get a shiny, er, i mean, dull (as in gray) new bible. big whoop. Just download the new JW app to your iPad and take that to the hall. That way you can keep up with Jah's chariot just fine. Don't have an iPad, iPhone, Android, or host of other modern devices that everyone in developed countries, and under the age of 60 has? Oh well, you'll just have to manage with your 1984 NWT bible until January. Now stop your whining and go place some magazines...
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  So, the (N)NWT is gray in color?

  by undercover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  okay, perusing the threads about the special meeting and new bible, i see that the new bible is gray.. gray?

  gray?

  as in - dull?

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  Okay, perusing the threads about the special meeting and new Bible, I see that the new bible is gray.

  Gray? Really? Gray? As in - Dull? Uninspired? Depressing?

  Oh well, I guess it is fitting. As a religion in general, the WTS and JWs are dull, uninspired and depressing...
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  What Will Be the Penalty For Using the Old New World Translation?

  by LostGeneration in

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  so who here wants to run an experiment?

  if you still attend the meetings, are you willing to cling to the "old" new world translation?.

  keep using it in front of all of the rest of the cultists.

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  the agm did say to hold on to your old nwt and use it for reference.

  so, um, we need this new bible, but keep the old bible to reference from while using the new bible? what?