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  Stupidest thing a JW ever told you

  by Nosferatu in

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  what is the stupidest thing a jw ever told you?

  we all know that they say a lot of stupid things, but what really topped the cake?.

  for me, it was an elder telling me i was progressing really well when my meeting attendance was down and my field service hours were slipping.

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  "True Christians shouldn't watch figure skating because some of the skaters are gay."

  I watched figure skating because the girls wore those short, tight little outfits. For a JW youth, that was almost as good as porn.
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  Good Experiences as a Jehovah's Witness

  by minimus in

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  instead of bringing out the negatives about being a witness, let's relate some good experiences!

  i'll start.

  i remember a sister that brought up all her kids up in the "truth" and her husband was very opposed but later he started studying and he even got baptized.

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  GaryB,

  You're story about the guy helping you: He was more biker than witness. That is classic of how bikers help each other. They come from all walks of life to enjoy one thing; motorcycles. When another biker has trouble they will all help however they can. Religion, politics, rich, poor, it doesn't matter. That is more of a true brotherhood than the witnesses.
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  Good Experiences as a Jehovah's Witness

  by minimus in

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  instead of bringing out the negatives about being a witness, let's relate some good experiences!

  i'll start.

  i remember a sister that brought up all her kids up in the "truth" and her husband was very opposed but later he started studying and he even got baptized.

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  I remember the "spoons" game. Learned that one from friends up North. Why did the elders shut that one down?

  There was this card game we used to play a lot too. "Nerts" I think was the name. High speed, two people in a team, unlimited number of teams in a circle. I remember that much. Don't remember the other rules. Boy, did that game cause some arguments and fighting.
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  If You Had Freeness of Speech, What Would You Like To Tell The Elders?

  by minimus in

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  when elders question you to see if everything's alright, what would you really like to tell them, if you could??

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  Bye!
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  Good Experiences as a Jehovah's Witness

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  instead of bringing out the negatives about being a witness, let's relate some good experiences!

  i'll start.

  i remember a sister that brought up all her kids up in the "truth" and her husband was very opposed but later he started studying and he even got baptized.

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  I had pleasant and happy experiences as well as the bad experiences growing up. Congregation picnics(several a year) were always well attended and everyone enjoyed it and we got to know each other outside of "he's such a good speaker" or "they have a wonderful presentation at the door".

  As an adult the good times were there but it wasn't service relater or congregation related. It was the friendships built up with others and the vacations and trips that we took together.

  It's hard to try to give a good experience as a Witness in that now we know that we were fooled, any good experiences in field service at the door embarrass us now. Any advise we gave to others was based on what the WTS said and would probably embarrass us now also. I do remember helping some of the elderly in repairs on their homes and cars. That is about the best I come up with right now.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Are Under Mind Control

  by minimus in

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  if you were to tell a witness that they were "brainwashed" or that they were "under mind control", they certainly would not rationally accept it.the reason is because witnesses cannot distinguish between mind control and "obeying the faithful and discreet slave".

  it is only after a person stops exposing himself to the subtle mind controlling tactics of the watchtower that a person can see how thoroughly duped they are in their beliefs.

  how might you be able to tell that you are no longer your own person, able to make your own decisions in your life?

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  people are very susceptible to persuasive techniques that include intimidation ,delusional reasoning and manipulation when it's done with the belief that they are following a higher power .

  Yes, I think that's true too.

  If you don't like the name "mind control", fine, don't use it. But you have to agree that persuasive techniques, intimidation, delusional reasoning and manipulation happens, whether it's JWs, Mormons, Republicans, Democrats or the ad campaign for McDonald's. People with weak minds or are susceptible to being manipulated or maybe just let their guard down, fall for it. Why else would anyone eat a Mcdonald's cheeseburger??

  Seriously though, many want a better life or a better religion or whatever, and when someone comes along and tells them they can have it, they want to believe. After a little persuaviness and manipulation, you have a convert to whatever cause was being pushed. Not everyone will fall for it. But apparently enough will fall for some of these enough to make it profitable for the leaders of these schemes to keep doing it.
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  Stupidest thing a JW ever told you

  by Nosferatu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what is the stupidest thing a jw ever told you?

  we all know that they say a lot of stupid things, but what really topped the cake?.

  for me, it was an elder telling me i was progressing really well when my meeting attendance was down and my field service hours were slipping.

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  12. Jehovah can read your mind but Satan cannot. Apparently this is one of Satan's weak links!

  I've heard that too. In fact the elder that stated that in our hall explained that though the demons can't read your mind, they can partially control your dreams! Uh, if they can't read your mind, how can they know what your dreaming and how can they manipulate that?
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  Stupidest thing a JW ever told you

  by Nosferatu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what is the stupidest thing a jw ever told you?

  we all know that they say a lot of stupid things, but what really topped the cake?.

  for me, it was an elder telling me i was progressing really well when my meeting attendance was down and my field service hours were slipping.

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  I was told as a kid that the dinosaurs died out during the flood. My first question was why didn't Noah get two of each of them for the ark? The answer: They were too big.
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  "We don't make rules!", claims the WTS

  by ozziepost in

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  out of their own mouths (well, web-site actually): .

  jehovah's witnesses avoid making rules and regulations beyond those provided in the scriptures, and they do not follow traditions that contradict bible teachings.

  emphasis is placed on personal application of bible principles and the value of a sound, bible-based conscience.matthew 15:9; 2 corinthians 1:24.. just thought you'd like to know!

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  Jehovah's Witnesses avoid making rules and regulations beyond those provided in the Scriptures,

  Bear with me on this

  TRUE according to their definition

  BECAUSE they use loaded language - a hallmark of mind control. They will insist they don't make "rules". They will however change the meaning of the word "principle" and substitute it for the word "rule" This playing with the language keeps people confused and buying into the propaganda that is heaped on them constantly

  and lord help the poor person who breaks a "priniple"

  Thank you, Lady Lee,

  That's what I was trying to say in my long epistle. You summed it up much more nicely.
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  "We don't make rules!", claims the WTS

  by ozziepost in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  out of their own mouths (well, web-site actually): .

  jehovah's witnesses avoid making rules and regulations beyond those provided in the scriptures, and they do not follow traditions that contradict bible teachings.

  emphasis is placed on personal application of bible principles and the value of a sound, bible-based conscience.matthew 15:9; 2 corinthians 1:24.. just thought you'd like to know!

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  I got to thinking about this a little more....

  Some rules are definately there, like the beards and the service slips and many others. But some things become rules unto ourselves. We think they are rules but really aren't etched in stone, written in the WT or in the elder's handbook. So where did we get the impression that something is a rule when it's not written anywere?

  An example(please bear with me here): When I was a good little dubbie, I wanted to buy a motorcycle. I've always had the urge to own one. The more I decided I wanted one, the more my conscience bothered me about wanting one. I felt like I was going against the direction of the Society by buying one. Was it the materialism? Was it the supposed "lifestyle"? Of course there's nothing in the Bible about not owning one. I searched the Index and could not find anything that recommended not owning one. Why was I feeling unloyal for wanting a motorcycle? Since I could find no written admonition about not owning one, I proceeded to get one.

  Forward many years later. After becomeing inactive and now owning several motorcycles and sports cars, I attend the occasional meeting. I went to the Sunday meeting the week of the COs visit. In his talk about worsening conditions(imagine that) he started off his talk about an unfortunate incident where someone was killed in a bungee jumping incident. He went on to compare bungee jumping, para-sailing, sky-diving and motorcycle riding with each other as a dangerous pastime. A pastime that "Christians" would not want to pursue due to the danger it presented. This little sidebar to his talk had nothing to do with the theme and I feel that it was aimed at a couple of the brothers who had taken up riding motorcycles. Now, there is no rule written anywhere in any of the WTS publications that brothers(or sisters) can't ride or own motorcycles. But to any in attendance that morning(who were awake and/or paying attention) this "counsel" coming from this particular brother becomes a rule. Hardheaded elders may even try enforcing this unwritten rule on its MSs and pioneers. They have no scriptural backing or even written backing from the WTS, but since it came from the CO, who represents "headquarters", that's close enough.

  I feel that many of the "rules" are not actually sanctioned rules but preferences, suggestions or even prejudices that have been voiced over and over on the platform to the point where we come to think of them as rules. I'm not making excuses for anyone(or any publishing company) but just voicing how I think we get fooled into obeying these "rules".

  Thoughts?