mother finds baby dead in bath tub
woman leaves child in tub to check on kitchen
posted: 8:22 am cdt may 19, 2004
I don't have children, but I know better'n to leave a baby unattended in a bathtub of water. If nothing else she should be charged with negligence.
In the movie A Beautiful Mind, there's a scene where Russell Crowe's character leaves the baby alone in the tub and the water is filling up. Very scary scene. I'm sure it made every mother who was watching cringe.
jehovah's witness across north america are being sternly counseled at this week's service meeting that they should pack lunches during the 2004 dictrict convention instead of leaving the site to eat elsewere or return with food.
in a letter read during the announcements, members are told this is a "serious problem".
reportedly jws have been banned from some convention locations because the venues want concession stand business if jws insist on bringing carry-out meals into the facility.
When did they stop selling food at the conventions? Why did they stop selling food at the conventions? I imagine it was portrayed as a spirtiual thing; it was to lift the burden of food prep work off the bros and sis' shoulders so they could enjoy the fine spiritual banquet instead, bla bla bla . . .But what was the real reason for the WTBTS to stop selling food at the conventions? Did it have anything to do with the convention fascilities wanting to or insisting on their own vendors?
I don't remember dates, but after the WTS stopped "selling" food at the conventions they went to the "donation" arrangement. Food was just handed out and the friends were expected to donate accordingly. After a few years of that, they decided to get out of the concession business alltogether. "Simplifying" they said. That I believe. Why go to all that work to feed people when you don't have to?
As all of this was going on, some venues had been declining to rent to the WTS because the WTS didn't want to use the venue concessions. A lot of the bigger city venues have in the lease agreement that you must use their concessions. The WTS of course didn't want that. Ever notice that the WTS liked to use smaller cities for conventions? Easier to negotiate with. After many years of renting venues that allowed them to not use the concessions, other cities saw that they were losing out on at least some rent, so they re-thought their stance and started renting to the WTS. Now, of course, after several years of dubs having to bring their own food to the assemblies, many are tired of it and are going out for lunch. The city employees see this and get upset because they see consession dollars driving away each day at lunch. The next year, the city asks for concession sales and the WTS says "We don't need concessions" and the city says, "We watch your people drive/walk to McDonalds at all of your conventions. Don't tell us you don't need concessions". Leasing the venues without concessions becomes harder each year. Thus, the admonition to bring your lunch to the convention. That's why it's so serious. There is a method to their madness.
my mother told me the other day that if push came to shove, she probably wouldn't go to my daughter's wedding if she knew she would be removed as a regular pioneer.
she said that pioneering was something she chose to do over the last 40 plus years.
if my daughter chose to marry an "unbeliever", then that was her decision.......obviously, some things are more important.
Sorry to hear that, Min. I'm sure you mom thinks she is doing the right thing. Unfortunately she has taken the WTS's view as her own and it is keeping her from enjoying the wedding of her granddaughter.
Another family disrupted by the policies of the WTS.
jehovah's witness across north america are being sternly counseled at this week's service meeting that they should pack lunches during the 2004 dictrict convention instead of leaving the site to eat elsewere or return with food.
in a letter read during the announcements, members are told this is a "serious problem".
reportedly jws have been banned from some convention locations because the venues want concession stand business if jws insist on bringing carry-out meals into the facility.
I went to the DC last year. I spent my lunches at the bar across the street. 2-3 beers and I snoozed pretty good through the afternoon sessions.
Moose of the Hell's Beerguts MC
I like it.
i find it quite interesting that, due to minimus' thread about "the end", there were a lot of comments about 1975. everybody who made comments about it here didn't seem very bothered by the fact that they had such high hopes for the year and were let down by yet another false jw prediction.
yet the borg chastises and condemns as being arrogant those same people who may have drifted away because of it.
to me, that says a lot about how, even subconsciously, great it must be to be out of that high control organization.
...if the WBTS didn't specify the date officially, how come we ALL know that date, all of us who lived through time? Mention 1975 to any JW who was alive and a JW then, they know the date.
Excellent thought.
Those who weren't there, whether not born yet or not a JW yet, will never really understand. Yea, the WTS was coy in print about the date, but for 5 meetings a week, 2-3 assemblies a year and CO visits that constantly drummed into our heads that 1975 was right around the corner and that it was a most significant date, and that it "might", "could" or "possibly" (and sometimes "would") bring Armageddon, we accepted it. After all this info was coming from the FD&S, how could they be wrong?
Outside of the non-event of Armageddon, what was so special about 1975 anyway? Take away the hype of the end of the world and what do you have left? Nothing. At least the WTS got lucky in 1914. A major war broke out the same year they said Armageddon was coming. They were able to milk that up to today even. But 1975? Nothing. Now 1975 is just a footnote in WTS history (a footnote that they hope most people miss).
i just spent some time perusing some ex-mormon sites and discussion boards.
it's damn scary how similar these two religions have coerced, deceived and lied to their followers.
while their teachings are sometimes worlds apart, the tactics used by both churches to force their followers to obedience are so similar it gave me chill bumps as i read some of their experiences.. they have issues with joseph smith and how he founded the church and some of his "prophecies".
I just spent some time perusing some ex-mormon sites and discussion boards. It's damn scary how similar these two religions have coerced, deceived and lied to their followers. While their teachings are sometimes worlds apart, the tactics used by both churches to force their followers to obedience are so similar it gave me chill bumps as I read some of their experiences.
They have issues with Joseph Smith and how he founded the church and some of his "prophecies". We have issues with C T Russell and his prophecies. They have issues with later leaders. We have issues with Rutherford and later Knorr and Franz. As I read their questions and discussions, I could have easily substituted their leaders names for Russell, Rutherford, etc and it would have fit right in on this board.
Though the LDS church doesn't seem to have (that I saw anyway) a formal shunning policy, there were lots of testimonies from their ex members of being shunned for officialling leaving the church. I gathered that those who faded out were still on the "mailing" list and would receive periodic visits from their bishops. If they officially asked to have their name removed then they would no longer be bothered, but many of the members had similar stories as ones here in losing contact with their families. I think the WTS has a leg up on the LDS church in this area. The JWS OFFICIALLY shun former members, thus keeping people more people in line.
The LDS church "discourages" reading or viewing dissenting information. Much of their argument for not reading "apostate" info mirrored the reasons the WTS gives its members. I found it slightly amusing that if the Mormon church knows that it has the truth and the JWs know they have the truth, but neither can discuss it with each other how will we ever really know?
The LDS church forbids alcohol, tobacco and caffeine. They got the dubs there. JWs forbid tobacco. Can either church give scriptural reasons for this policy?
There were many other similar things but the one that stood out the most (and was the most amusing) was the fact that while ex-JWs like to refer to the "organization" as the "Borg" referencing the Star Trek series, the ex-Mormons liked to call the LDS church the "Morg". Hilarious.
But where shall I put this one?
Oh, the answers I have for that one. heh heh
Stef, that one should be on the men's urinating thread, LOL.
i?d like to take a poll of who you think the best rock or heavy metal band is or was.
i have metallica narrowly edging out black sabbath.
i look forward to corvin?s comments.
We started out talking Heavy Metal, now we're all over the place.
Sabbath edges out Metallica. I don't consider Led Zep heavy metal.
best guitarists. Too many to name or remember. Some of my favs(that I remember at the moment):
Clapton, Van Halen, Knopfler, Page, Harrison(very underrated), Hendrix, SR Vaughn, The Edge, Santana - I'm forgetting bunches I know. Johnson, Satriani and those technical wizard players are great players but they don't seem to have any feeling or soul to their music. My opinion only, not trying to flame em.
Someone mentioned The Cult. My favorite 80s band (cept for maybe U2)
All that said about great bands and players, I've been out seeing live music a lot lately, and I'll tell ya, there's a lot of great talent out there. Do yourself a favor and go support local live music where you live. You won't be sorry.
