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Lloyd’s new book

by jwfacts in

i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

I think that's what helps him do what he does. It takes someone with a strong personality and a strong ego to take charge, and lead the way in a cause or movement. And people sometimes get rubbed the wrong way by strong personalities. But if there wasn't someone willing to put their face to a movement, it may remain an underground thing. Your website, JWFacts is the number one site to learn about JWs and WTS policies/doctrines. But in way, it is a low key approach. Lloyd took it to another level. And like him or not, it is paying dividends in exposing WT scandals.

Personally, I prefer the low key approach. Just the facts ma'am. But that's me, some people need a different style in order for it to make an impression on them.

Here's the real beauty about this 'controversy' if one wishes to call it that: We're free to discuss it. We're free to disagree. We're free to criticize. These are things that we could not do while trapped in the JW religion. And I think for some newly freed ones, it takes a while to handle that new freedom and learn to temper their zeal to freely speak with grace and decorum. Hell, I'm still learning.

Your opening post gave me something to think about and to reflect upon. Thank you for taking the time to do this.

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Lloyd Evans' New Book - Is It Really Necessary?

by pale.emperor in

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so lloyd evans will shortly be releasing his new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

i do enjoy his rebuttals and the stuff he manages to get hold of and leak.

but i'm struggling to understand what he could possibly write to merit a whole book.. all info on how to leave is right here on this forum.

undercover

Never felt the need to buy his first book, as by the time he was promoting it, I didn't need it. I have CofC, and that helped me as I was exiting.

And just as Ray Franz hoped to make a little money, and I didn't begrudge him, I don't really begrudge Evans. If he can find buyers, then good for him.

At the same time, I've never been a fan of professional activists - people who seem to make a living at being an activist, whether it's political, vegan, religious or haters of bro-country music. They seem to have found a cause that allows them to bitch and get paid. Maybe I'm just being a curmudgeon about it, maybe some of these folks do make a difference, but enough of these people come across as shills, that it tarnishes all of them to a degree.

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Memorial.. To go or not to go

by Emily1987 in

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so, as some of you will know myself and my husband are in the process of fading.

haven't been to a meeting since beginning of 2017. .

we weren't planning on going to the memorial, but last week my mother broke down and said that we have to go to the memorial even if it's the only meeting i go to this year.

undercover

I don't know your exact situation, but I've found that Memorials are so stressful for elders, with the preparations and everything else going on, they really don't have time to harass anyone. Other than some love bombing, I wouldn't worry about too much interaction with the elders, especially anything like being pulled into the back room for a talking to.

And if you felt comfortable that you wouldn't be bothered like that, then maybe you could go for your mom's sake. It's one hour, once a year.

I used to have anxiety attacks about going, but not anymore. And yes, I'm going. It's a compromise. One one hour meeting a year isn't going to kill me. And there's nothing they can say or do in that one hour that's going to make me go, 'oh my god.. I was wrong, I should come back before it's too late'. No, I am now immune to their cult tactics and BS doctrine. But, my situation isn't the same as yours or that guy's or that gal's, so what I do may not work for everyone. You have to weigh all the circumstances, and make a decision that you can live with.

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Massive hints against alcohol

by purrpurr in

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in the most recent assembly there were several heavy hints about not drinking alcohol at all.

saying that it doesn't give a good witness or would stumble others.. is this a new "unwritten directive?.

undercover

Nothing new. They've always preached the evils of alcohol. Well, since Rutherford's been gone anyway...

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The utter absurdity of the "universal sovereignty issue", chapter 4,786

by sir82 in

so on the jw broadcast channel, there is a new 4 minute video entitled "why does god permit suffering".

i won't give them free advertising by linking to it, but you'll find it under the "latest videos" section.. it looks like it will be something that will eventually be used in field serve-us as a video to show householders.. anyway, it gives the illustration of the teacher and a "rebellious student" who says he has a "better way to solve the problem".

the infinitely wise teacher allows him to try, he fails, and the teacher is "vindicated".. other posts on this site demonstrate how inane the illustration really is - it breaks down nearly effortlessly.. anyway, the video goes on to explain that god allowed "rebellious humans" to continue on because (more or less direct quote) "millions of angels were observing.

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Hey Boss. That Satan guy in Shipping keeps screwing things up, and all our orders are going out wrong. We're getting a lot of complaints from our clients. Can't we do something about him?

Well, Mr. Angel, I'd like to, but in order to prove to the rest of the company that I am the boss and that I know what's best for all employees, I'm going to let Mr. Satan, and his department, continue to run Shipping how they see fit, for the time being. Oh I have a time table in mind, and it's soon, but not yet. By the time I act, everyone will see that I was right and he was wrong, and no one will try to change our shipping operations again. Make sense to you, Mr. Angel?

Um, I think I'll tender my resignation, effective immediately.

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If the Watchtower corporation went bust

by Fred Franztone in

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what do you think would happen to jehovah's witnesses as a religion and as a people?.

undercover

Go bust, as in 'out of business'? Unlikely. They may downsize, they may reorganize, but the religion will continue to do the same thing it has always done - reinvent itself in order to stay relevant (at lease relevant to people who believe in it)

Now - here's a fantasy to dwell on for a couple of minutes.... what if the entire GB were arrested for fraud, cover up, something, anything... the kind of scandal that brings down powerful leaders and icons.

Oh sure, there'd be a few diehards that would refuse to accept the reality, but by and large, for many it would be the catalyst to dig deeper and realize the folly of their belief system.

Highly unlikely to happen, but oh well, it's fun to think about for a couple of minutes anyway

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The strange case of Gerrit Losch

by Gorbatchov in

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one of the recent molest cases had a signed declaration of gerrit losch, stating he has no relation with watchtower and that he has no control over watchtower and he does not answer to watchtower.. this month he is hosting the watchtower broadcasting show, on a watchtower media chanel, with a watchtower president starring as co-host, with statements, media and music that have intellectual ownership and copyright by watchtower.. gerrit is asking on broadcasting for respect for “the slave”, just like jehova and jesus respect “the slave” and will even reward them.. are the writers of the statement too stupid to see the correlation between teaching and practicing?.

these man are proven liars.. how can hold this firewall stand?

it’s so thin.. a judge can see this mismach isn’t it??.

undercover

Marking...

Thanks to all the Jim Rockfords in the apostate ranks that keep the info flowing...

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March 2018 Broadcast - When quotes become rumors

by Listener in

this months broadcast is presented by losche and he discusses the need for trust in the fds.

the following is transcribed from the 12.30 mark.. satan also has the scheme to spread rumors about our brothers including the faithful slave.

the method of spreading rumors is not new.

undercover

So, whom do you trust? You fully trust in Jehovah, Jesus and the Faithful Slave. To a reasonable degree you also trust all of your fellow Brothers and Sisters

Well well well, I see they have fully equated themselves with God himself now. Trust Jehovah, Jesus, and Us, the JW Holy Trinity. Popes R Us.

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Oh Boy! Beards are "stumbling blocks" again ... from Stephen Lett

by freddo in

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so this week's midweek meeting video about stumbling others has lett spouting and gurning rubbish again.. if you can't take the whole 9 minutes go from 5:50 to get the context and 6:45 for the "beard" mention.. https://youtu.be/ezv1ici5cwo.

oh, well - at least they shoot themselves in the foot with this doublespeak.

single.

undercover

When you say, 'midweek meeting video', does this mean that each and every congregation (in the US at least) sits and watches this tripe?

Is this a weekly thing now? Watch a video of a crazy person instead of having live speakers and demonstrations?

How is it anyone still is part of this religion???

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A spy's life is a lonely one

by LevelThePlayingField in

so i have been awake since about this time in 2013, so about 5 years.

and the craziest thing about it is that now, no one, and i mean no one know's i am an apostate.

meaning, that i don't believe the jw minds set/beliefs at all, and no one knows it.

undercover

Do you hum the James Bond theme when you go into the hall? You can introduce yourself to visitors as, 'Field. Leveltheplaying Field.'

Seriously though I get what you're saying. Movies make the spy game look glamorous but in the real world it's anything but. Even on the level of being an apostate spy, which is not as nearly as dangerous as being an MI6 or CIA Operative, you have to constantly stay on guard, watch your back, not trust anyone. It is tiring and depressing.

Hopefully one day you can lose your Double 0 status and enjoy your freedom. Good luck.