Posts by sosoconfused

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I just informed the parents about me and the TTATT... heart wrenching

by sosoconfused in

well first i want to thank everyone here for the good points etc... i have received over the last few months.

you guys have really been helpful!.

so the other day my mother wrote me a 3 page letter telling me how she was so scared for me because she could tell my love for the truth was gone etc.. so i decided i wanted to totally rip the band-aid off and get this matter over and done with.

sosoconfused

mind - she has been baptized 49 years... And had no idea.

goes to show that things change so much they can't keep up

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I just informed the parents about me and the TTATT... heart wrenching

by sosoconfused in

well first i want to thank everyone here for the good points etc... i have received over the last few months.

you guys have really been helpful!.

so the other day my mother wrote me a 3 page letter telling me how she was so scared for me because she could tell my love for the truth was gone etc.. so i decided i wanted to totally rip the band-aid off and get this matter over and done with.

sosoconfused

I want to thank you all for the good words etc... it really really really helps.

My Dad just left me a voicemail that says this exactly, "I appreciate you being truthful with us. Although I may not completely understand your stance I can see why you would take this stand. Your mother is pretty upset with me because I won't stand with her on this - but you are my son and I love you. I didn't spend much time with any of my 3 kids when you were growing up because I was always working to provide the necessities for you. Then when we returned to the truth all my focus was that if I do more for Jehovah the family would be great. But you know that I still spent even less time with you guys.

I wish I could take it back but i can't. With logically just a few years left I don't want them to be completely seperated from you. So I look forward.... end of message

2mnd message: Like I said pick me up for fishing tomorrow. Seeya

It looks like it wont be as bad as i anticipated

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I just informed the parents about me and the TTATT... heart wrenching

by sosoconfused in

well first i want to thank everyone here for the good points etc... i have received over the last few months.

you guys have really been helpful!.

so the other day my mother wrote me a 3 page letter telling me how she was so scared for me because she could tell my love for the truth was gone etc.. so i decided i wanted to totally rip the band-aid off and get this matter over and done with.

sosoconfused

@Blondie - its amazing that they butcher that scripture that way. When i bring things to their attention they just gloss it over.

Thanks for all the encouraging words guys. I do appreciate them all. THe one thing that gets me though is the term "the slave". IT rolls off the tongue so easily. It means so much to them, but they fail to realize that it is a group of people who don'tgive two shits about them.

I swear to God she said it atleast 40 times in a 50 minute span. I repeatedly told her that there is no slve class... show me in the bible where there is a slave class. No answer... its just all implied.

Worse still is the fact that I literally took them page by page through the new light in the July magazine. She had studied it but still said I was lying when I brought out the points that she just studied!?!?!? They dont have the mental capacity to comprehend what they are reading so they just go with it.

When I told her that they no longer believe Russell was the slave so how could his "prophecy" of 1914 have any meaning. They just stared at me. I then said Jesus apostles... not the slave... she pretty much called me an apostate. I said why don't you just read the magazine again. She admitted that it didn't matter what changed because if it came from the slave it is coming from Jehovah. I did the ever so familiar face-palm and just moved on

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I just informed the parents about me and the TTATT... heart wrenching

by sosoconfused in

well first i want to thank everyone here for the good points etc... i have received over the last few months.

you guys have really been helpful!.

so the other day my mother wrote me a 3 page letter telling me how she was so scared for me because she could tell my love for the truth was gone etc.. so i decided i wanted to totally rip the band-aid off and get this matter over and done with.

sosoconfused

Thanks guys, I am hoping for the best. My dad previously complained that since her retirment all she does is hound him about service. He says he hates service and he is tired of it but would never tell her that LOL. He fakes going out in service and goes to my sisters home for a few hours and will drink beer and watch her kids. He is 74 freaking years old and is unhappy with his life, but at the same time he keeps up with the org because as he said "what else do I have".

In regards to courage... I must say I was scared at first but there comes a time when you just have to get it over with. They threw all kinds of buzzwords and scriptures at me but you begin to realize its just a bunch of crap they were feed over the years and they have no other way of defending themselves.

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I just informed the parents about me and the TTATT... heart wrenching

by sosoconfused in

well first i want to thank everyone here for the good points etc... i have received over the last few months.

you guys have really been helpful!.

so the other day my mother wrote me a 3 page letter telling me how she was so scared for me because she could tell my love for the truth was gone etc.. so i decided i wanted to totally rip the band-aid off and get this matter over and done with.

sosoconfused

Well first I want to thank everyone here for the good points etc... i have received over the last few months. You guys have really been helpful!

So the other day my mother wrote me a 3 page letter telling me how she was so scared for me because she could tell my love for the truth was gone etc.. so i decided I wanted to totally rip the band-aid off and get this matter over and done with. I love my parents - I could give two craps about anyone else in the "borg" - so this was the most difficult thing I have ever had to do. My parents are in there 60's and 70's - father an elder for years... mother a reg pio for 30+ years. 3 generations deep. This was one hell of a thing to do for me.

As we sat in the living room with this weird awkwardness my mother simply says, "Do you still think that Jehovah is using this organization as his only people????" She literally had this look of deep sadness in her eyes.... I almost wanted to lie! I looked at my dad and he was just staring at the floor. I thought to myself that I could lie and say yes and that I just had some things to work out... but all that would do is drag this process out longer and in turn there would be more hiding. I AM DONE HIDING! I AM DONE BEING SOMETHING I AM NOT. I simply said, "No, I no longer believe it and I have not for a long time." There was awkward silence for about 30 seconds.

I then said I can't follow people who lie to me - I refuse. My father said, "They have never lied to us ever. DON'T SAY THAT" We went into the 1975 thing. THey both lived through it and regurgitated the statement that the friends ran ahead. I was prepared with my "BINDER OF TRUTH" that shows that they indeed make statments that led the friends in that direction. It didn't matter. The brainwashing was so thick that it was almost painful to discuss anything. The circular reasoning was frustrating - but their ridiculous cultish responses made me ever more sure that this is truly a dangerous religion to belong to.

I showed her a statement from a 1984 magazine, she said, "Do you have any idea how old that is??? 1984???" We have had so much nerw light since then". I asked her if that bothers her... afterall the bible is 2 thousand years old and there is no new light. SHe got mad and then left. My dad was far more upset - but he "accepts" my decision although he doesn't respect it. His words not mine...

However there was one point that hit both of them like a ton of bricks, the same point that hurts me. I said, "If the bible says one thing and the society says the complete opposite would you trust the bible or the society. They both said obviously the bible. sooooo I said, The bible says that Jesus is the mediator for all - yet the society says something else. My mother said I was telling a bold -facedlie and if I was going to lie we can't talk. So I told her if I show you this in print what would you do? She responds, "There is no way that my brothers would say such a thing".

I showed her - she left the house - never came back in.

Me and my dad talked for a bit, he was mad but then said, "Lets not let this mess up our relationship..." That was the best thing I could have heard. He went on to say that he wasn't going to tell anyone about this as long as I don't go around misleading anyone. We laughed and then made arrangements for fishing on Saturday.

My mother sat in the car reading the article in the hot Florida heat with the windows up refusing to talk to either of us...

What comes of this who knows. One thing I will say is that a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders and I can move forward easily now.

I truly want to thank all of you for your assistance these last few months - for all the insight, encouragement and fun.

- sosoconfused

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Video about 607

by sosoconfused in

does anyone know the link to that specific video where it shows the guy using the insight book and the years kings ruled to demonstrate that 587 was the date and not 607 ?

i cant seem to find it anywhere.

sosoconfused

Does anyone know the link to that specific video where it shows the guy using the insight book and the years kings ruled to demonstrate that 587 was the date and not 607 ? I cant seem to find it anywhere

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Congregation Loans

by sosoconfused in

what i am trying to figure out is wether or not the society actually collects interest on the money they loan for kingdom hall construction.. .

for instance if we have 70k in the bank and need 90k for project and we get a loan from the borg - do they charge interest on the loan or is just the base 20k paid back over time?.

i never actually paid attention to this process, does anyone know.

sosoconfused

Isn't it kind of foul that you give them money at every meeting and event yet when you need some back so you can "advance kingdom intreests" they charge you for it?

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Congregation Loans

by sosoconfused in

what i am trying to figure out is wether or not the society actually collects interest on the money they loan for kingdom hall construction.. .

for instance if we have 70k in the bank and need 90k for project and we get a loan from the borg - do they charge interest on the loan or is just the base 20k paid back over time?.

i never actually paid attention to this process, does anyone know.

sosoconfused

What I am trying to figure out is wether or not the society actually collects interest on the money they loan for kingdom hall construction.

For instance if we have 70k in the bank and need 90k for project and we get a loan from the borg - do they charge interest on the loan or is just the base 20k paid back over time?

I never actually paid attention to this process, does anyone know

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Candace Conti v Watchtower Society | June 3, 2013 | Respondent's Brief - prepared by Rick Simons | A136641

by jwleaks in

jw leaks has published the respondent's brief prepared by rick simons in the case: candace conti v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york & fremont congregation of jehovah's witnesses.

(90 pages).

http://jwleaks.org/candace-conti/.

sosoconfused

Wouldn't it be nice if the judge would say, "It looks like you guys really are full of Sh^t... I am going to double the amount of money you owe this young lady"

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Candace Conti v Watchtower Society | June 3, 2013 | Respondent's Brief - prepared by Rick Simons | A136641

by jwleaks in

jw leaks has published the respondent's brief prepared by rick simons in the case: candace conti v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york & fremont congregation of jehovah's witnesses.

(90 pages).

http://jwleaks.org/candace-conti/.

sosoconfused

I noticed you guys are picking out alot of very smart things... I am not a smart guy at all... however it seems the opening few sentences are enough to hold someone accountable for this mess. Look at the opening sentences. If this quote alone is true it would be enough to warrant a huge lawsuit.

"Plaintiff Jane Doe (Candace Conti) was nine years old when the

elders of defendant North Fremont Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses

(“Congregation”) repeatedly assigned her to participate with Jonathan

Kendrick, a man known to them as a child molester, in the Congregation’s

door-to-door ministry known as “field service.” For nearly two years,

Kendrick took advantage of this opportunity, taking Candace to his home

where he repeatedly sexually abused her. "