@besty - I fell for that dealing with a "sister" who cheated on her worldy husband with someone in our congregation. 3 weeks later she was df'ed for going back to the brother for more LOL
confusedandalone
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A question for elders and former elders who have served on JCs
by slimboyfat inbased on your experience of judicial committees, how would you advise someone who is due to meet with the elders and has asked for the best way to avoid being disfellowshipped?
is denying everything ever a successful strategy?
does addressing a letter to the elders threatening legal action if they disfellowship ever work?
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A question for elders and former elders who have served on JCs
by slimboyfat inbased on your experience of judicial committees, how would you advise someone who is due to meet with the elders and has asked for the best way to avoid being disfellowshipped?
is denying everything ever a successful strategy?
does addressing a letter to the elders threatening legal action if they disfellowship ever work?
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confusedandalone
On a page in the Shepherding book it states that elders are to look for repentance. It also says that sometimes a persons REPETANCE WILL BE SHOWN FOR THE FIRST TIME DURING THE MEETING - in not so many words. That portion stands out in the minds of elders. So utilize it to your advantage.
When the meeting starts and your wrong is addressed they will give you a chance to respond - say something like this
"Brothers, I have to admit that up until a few days ago I really did not feel that I was obligated to confess anything to anyone. My heart was cold and I had no desire to truly REPENT. While lying in my bed getting ready to go to sleep it dawned on my that I had not prayed to Jehovah in a heartfelt manner in weeks. I tried to pray but I had no idea what to say. I felt lost and alone. I cried for hours trying to figure out what to do. I FELT LIKE DAVID, broken at heart over my wrongs for the first time. I FELT I HIT ROCK-BOTTOM. I started pouring out my heart to jehovah there on the floor. I had no idea how much time had passed, but in this time I truly felt like I had come clean to Jehovah about my wrong and understood what it meant to truly REPENT.
I didn't sleep the rest of the night. I spent time writing out my apology to Jehovah on paper so that whenever I had the feeling that I would throw my relationship with Jehovah to the side I could look at this letter and be reminded how good I felt that night when I realized that my relationship with Jehovah is the most important thing in my life...
(PAUSE as you wipe dry tears from your eyes) - I have it here...(write the bogus letter and drop some water in a few key spots and say, "Please excuse the areas with wet spots.. they are from tears) I would like you to read it. Give the letter to the most dog-hearted individual on the JC.
They will read it. Afterward tell them, "Brothers I know full well what I did was wrong... I can't take it back. If I get the chance to remain a part of Jehovah's family I will never allow myself to so easily throw that relationship away again. I know you brothers have to do what is best for the congregation - but rest assured that no matter what I will be here...
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Constantly using the word repent as well as showing that you have gone to Jehovah in prayer and repented of your sins there is literally no scriptural way they can disfellowship you. If you somehow would get DF'ed which I douobt you would - you have 7 days to get the decision repelled. There is no JC that would be able to justify disfellowshipping you
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Good Friend of mine gets a response to his letter about Russell...
by confusedandalone inso a good friend of mine who had an issue with the fact that charles taze russell was given the understanding of 2520 and 1914 etc.. and was not of the faithful slave.
he asked how could it be possible that jah would bless someone who was not part of his organization to have such understanding after reading the july 15 wt.
he read me the letter as a way to help me understand and accept the watchtower.
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bio - i never cared to know much about him. I just am kind of fabergasted at the fact that they can easily admit that he just borrowed everything from a bunch of other guys and the whole 2520 and 1914 thing isnt unique. When we tell people in service we are the only people who have this unique understanding and its what sets us apart...
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Good Friend of mine gets a response to his letter about Russell...
by confusedandalone inso a good friend of mine who had an issue with the fact that charles taze russell was given the understanding of 2520 and 1914 etc.. and was not of the faithful slave.
he asked how could it be possible that jah would bless someone who was not part of his organization to have such understanding after reading the july 15 wt.
he read me the letter as a way to help me understand and accept the watchtower.
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I am going to beg for him to let me have a copy of it... it is really pitiful that as stated above 130+ years later they admit that the guy who started this whole religion that was so cuting edge and had gods blessing from thes start actually was just based on stuff that he got from other people who evidently jehovah used to reveal info to... its getting so convoluted now.
" Wow, this is great! We have forced them to admit that we have been right all along - Russell copied his religion from lots of 18 th- and 19 th -century folks!" - I read your experience awhile back. Like you I went to Bethel but didn't serve anywhere near as long as you. I also washed toilets almost the entire time. I dreaaaaaaaaaaaaamed of being in the writing department. Then my overseer who was in cleaning who was one of the most arrogant bastards I have ever met got sent there. I though, "How could Jehovah do this???" Please tell me - did you find everyone so arrogant. The way they write these letters its as if you have no choice but to all of a sudden realize that it's elementary and that I was the only one out of the loop.
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Good Friend of mine gets a response to his letter about Russell...
by confusedandalone inso a good friend of mine who had an issue with the fact that charles taze russell was given the understanding of 2520 and 1914 etc.. and was not of the faithful slave.
he asked how could it be possible that jah would bless someone who was not part of his organization to have such understanding after reading the july 15 wt.
he read me the letter as a way to help me understand and accept the watchtower.
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So a good friend of mine who had an issue with the fact that Charles Taze Russell was given the understanding of 2520 and 1914 etc.. and was not of the faithful slave. He asked how could it be possible that Jah would bless someone who was not part of his organization to have such understanding after reading the July 15 WT. He read me the letter as a way to help me understand and accept the Watchtower. He seems to be fine with the response. He is an ex-elder / Bethelite as well. Really nice guy but I can see that this change has screwed with his head.
Well they actually admit a few things I would not expect:
1. Although Jesus stated the faithful slave would be the channel in the last days it does not mean that JEHOVAH did not use other individuals and groups as channels of communication. It goes on to say he used the guys who wrote the christian greek scriptures and that he also used John or something to that effect.
2. He said that others also calculated the "seven times" (not of the slave) and the date of 19141 such as someone named Steely he says blah blah blah.
3. He also said that it quotes that many of te russellites doctrines were not unique. Others before them had reached the same conclusions from their study of the bible. such as rejecting trinity and hellfire etc.. or the using OF THE NAME JEHOVAH.
So after sharing with me high points he says that "I should now see that my concerns when we talked about these things earlier were unfounded and that an answer came in due season.......................................
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This guy is sharp, he is not one to be rolled over - or so I thought. I guess it really takes something traumatic to get people to see it for what it is.
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Shocking talk from 2013 District Convention urges parents to shun disfellowshipped children
by cedars inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yldwe_6jsu.
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confusedandalone
" this guy is totally loonie in a very erie sort of way" --- the funny thing is anyone who had the outline would be willing to regurgitate this same crap with a smile... honestly when your mind is truly on pleasing the org you don't really look for truth in those outlines. All you are thinking is deliver it in a way that will make you look good...
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Former Longtime Elder- Met up with a Former CO,DO
by James Jackson inat a convention recently, i met with don wallace, a former co and do.
he told me he came off the road 6 years ago and is living in scottsboro al.
him and his wife are in their late 70's.
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confusedandalone
My parents both baptized for 50 years are flat broke living on S.S. They have not been on vacation in years and will never go again. They can't go out to eat, they never buy new clothes and are always upset about what they cant do. However growing up on there 20k a year jobs donated regularly and made sure every god damn convention they put in 100 bucks to help to "offset a deficit".
They won't take money from me because I am "inactive" and they don't want me to think that I am helping them. My brother is a leech who still utilizes them for his own gain. All the while this slimeball encourages them to live this way but in the back of his mind is laughing like a freaking hyenna.
I bet you he wont let any of the friends in the hall he moved to come live with him when they hit hard times. What is worse is that 600 bux of our money is going toward financing him now - that stinks. The real dinger is how many green handshakes and how many acts of tax fraud did it take for him to accumulate enough money to buy a house cash and still live a comfy life?
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Shocking talk from 2013 District Convention urges parents to shun disfellowshipped children
by cedars inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yldwe_6jsu.
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These talks make me really want to walk up to one of these guys and punch them in the God damned face. I must say that although I served as an elder for about 7 years I never wanted to df anyone. I made other elders dislike me... I had people confess things to me and I purposely made sure it went no further because I always feelt, "Hey, Jehovah must have a heart."
I have no idea how someone could get this talk out and practice it over and over and not say, "WTF am I going to do?" This is really and truly disgusting. They actually verbalize all the things about the disfellowshipping process that we all knew but never want to acknowledge: people returning because they want their families not for love of God. That it is emotional black mail etc...
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The more time I spend with "worldly people" the more I realize...
by confusedandalone in... that they actually have more of a desire to get to knoww you then jehovah's witnesses.
for years at the kingdom hall although i was an elder everyone "knew of me" but no one knew me.
i realized that i never really had a friend who knew anything about me as a person or my background.
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@besty - ROFL - I will see what I can do LOL.
COHIBA Genios Maduro 5 <------------- You have just made me spend money!!!
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The more time I spend with "worldly people" the more I realize...
by confusedandalone in... that they actually have more of a desire to get to knoww you then jehovah's witnesses.
for years at the kingdom hall although i was an elder everyone "knew of me" but no one knew me.
i realized that i never really had a friend who knew anything about me as a person or my background.
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confusedandalone
thanks again all.. warm words.
besty - I am going back today. I am trying to fill my humidor witha nice selection of items I can age and enjoy with time.
If you have suggestions let me know