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  Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

  in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

  he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

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  Thanks Leo for this series on Rutherford's smear campaign against Moyle.

  I think it needs to be clarified what Moyle might have meant by his statement that he "did not circulate" the letter.

  As you pointed out, he did show the letter to some people. He also refused some requests for the letter that he received.

  When the letter was read at Bethel, it became public and ceased to be private.

  It was Rutherford who decided, not Moyle that the contents of the letter be made known!.

  The congregation reporting that Moyle was distributing the letter and giving talks about it appears to have been "circulating" gossip as fact.

  The Watchtower was also kept stirring up things by publishing "loyalty" testimonies from individuals condemning the man.

  Rutherford attitude towards Moyle was this, "You libel me privately, I'll libel you publicly!"
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  PDF Versions of Literature - Faithful Slave says ... count them on your field service report

  by wannabefree in

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  2. beliefs

  perhaps this has been covered .. i didn't see it.. december km (thanks atlantis http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/239632/1/2012-2013-literature-request-form-2012-december-kingdom-ministry-2012-october-3-boe ).

  page 5. send an article or a publication to someone.

  you know: attach a downloaded pdf or.

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  VM44

  "Each time you give someone who is not baptized a complete electronic book, brochure, or magazine, you may count it as a placement."

  There is going to be an increase in Theocratic spam! (looking at sir82) :)
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  Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

  in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

  he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

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  Moyle wrote:

  "...the continuous bringing up of the matter in the Tower thru its articles and letters sent it."

  Yes, if Moyle is to believed, and I see no reason not to, he did not circulate the letter to others.

  That so, what explains Rutherford's continually bringing up the matter in the publications?

  It appears that Rutherford wanted to discredit Molye to the Witnesses preemptively, and he used the Watchtower to do so.

  Rutherford wanted to destroy Moyle!

  The man was evil.
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  I may have found it! (In my pursuit of a degree)

  by MC RubberMallet in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i posted a while ago i was interested in psychology.

  and i had many options in mind to get a degree for.

  but i found my knack!.

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  I can anwer the question of who is pictured in BOC's avatar.

  

  It is Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
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  Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

  in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

  he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

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  The evidence presented in this thread shows that "Judge" Rutherford was the Evil Slave!
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  I may have found it! (In my pursuit of a degree)

  by MC RubberMallet in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i posted a while ago i was interested in psychology.

  and i had many options in mind to get a degree for.

  but i found my knack!.

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  "Faithful and Discreet Math"?
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  F&DS has just become GB - when is this new light disseminated to R&F?

  by NeverKnew in

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  i think i get that this meeting on october 6 was by invitation only.

  if i asked a jw to research who the f&ds was, i'm assuming that they'd tell me it is the annointed and maybe even provide me with wt literature from that cd explaining this.

  ...or would they already know about the change?

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  Wasn't there a thread a few months ago about someone in Brazil saying that the Watchtower was going to announce soon some New Light on some "Academic" topic?

  I take "academic" as meaning "doctrinal."

  Could this be what they were referring to?
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  Secret Watchtower Letter: PARENTS HAVE MAIN RESPONSIBILITY FOR CHILD'S SAFETY

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a separate thread, cedar's response to the watchtower's hot-off-the-secret-press-to-elders letter on child abuse is featured.

  cedar's article is a powerful, well-composed overview of that letter.. tellingly, in the watchtower letter you will not find any direct exhortation requiring parents to first go to the elders when their child discloses sex abuse.

  no, the watchtower is much too clever to directly state what parents should or should not do.

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  In years past, the elders would NOT warn parents of persons in the congregation that might pose a danger to the children because...."It would bring reproach upon Jehovah's Organization!"

  The Organization is everything to the elders, particularly if they are Watchtower "Company Men."
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  Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

  in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

  he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

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  VM44

  The letter Moyle sent to Rutherford was private.

  Why did Rutherford overreact the way he did?

  Rutherford literally flipped out over the matter!

  What sort of personality did Judge Rutherford have?
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  The WT Encourages JWs to learn about the early history of the organization! - 8/15/12 WT

  by 00DAD in

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  2. beliefs

  ironically, in today's wt, jws are encouraged to study the early history of the "earthly organization".

  like them [the sons of korah], do you have a desire to study and recount the history of the earthly part of jehovahs organization?

  the more you learn about gods organization and how jehovah supports his people, the more real gods kingdom will be to you.

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  Regarding JW history, it is very interesting to note that the Olin Moyle case is not mentioned in the Proclaimers book at all!