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  Ballistic's Picture - Who is the artist?

  by VM44 in

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  does anyone know who the artist is, and where i can get a bigger image of ballistic's image?.

  it reminds me of the artist magritte.. of course, it also could be a colorful version of "rover" from the prisoner!

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  Were Russell's Associates Who Went To Prison Considered Faithful To The End

  by minimus in

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  the watchtower regularly states that russell and his associates were truth seekers and that god considered them faithful watchmen, anxious to see the fulfillment of bible prophecies in the time of the end......my question is----did these folks (according to watchtower requirements) remain "faithful" or did they deviate from the "truth"?

  if a number did not remain faithful, wouldn't this obviously show that the watchtower was once again purposely misleading people into believing that russell's group was used by jehovah to enlighten his people???

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  RR,

  Do you know what happened to William Hudgings? He testified in the sedition trial agains Rutherford et al. Hudgings was held in contempt of court because they didn't like the way he testified, something about recognizing (or not) someone's signature.

  William Hudgings is interesting because he was the only person to have his book, on Einstein's Theory of Relativity, advertised in a Watchtower Publication!

  --VM44
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  Were Russell's Associates Who Went To Prison Considered Faithful To The End

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the watchtower regularly states that russell and his associates were truth seekers and that god considered them faithful watchmen, anxious to see the fulfillment of bible prophecies in the time of the end......my question is----did these folks (according to watchtower requirements) remain "faithful" or did they deviate from the "truth"?

  if a number did not remain faithful, wouldn't this obviously show that the watchtower was once again purposely misleading people into believing that russell's group was used by jehovah to enlighten his people???

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  7. G. H. Fisher - He left and was about to sue Rutherford and the Society, claimed he had proof of the illegal takeover, unfortunately, he died in 1925

  Didn't G.H. Fisher also have evidence, or knew of witnesses, to Rutherford's attending the burelesque show, "Artists and Models"? Again, just before charges could be presented against Rutherford, Fisher died. How convienent for Rutherford!

  Because he turned against Rutherford, future printings of "The Finished Mystery" (like the 1926 "boxed" edition) had the parts Fisher wrote removed! Talk about becoming a non-person!

  --VM44
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  C of C book

  by zion sleeping in

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  after reading the c of c book twice!

  i left it on the kitchen table for my wife(died hard dub).

  and i said if you want to learn the inner working of the w.t read it sure hope she does

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  "He also refrains from being mean-spirited." This is the good thing about Ray Franz's book. The author of the book "30 Years a Watchtower Slave", while not printing anything erroneous as far as I know, did not make any attempt to hide his anger towards the Watchtower, and that detracted from the book. --VM44
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  Rutherford Exposed: The Story of Berta and Bonnie

  by Farkel in

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  2. scandals

  it was made by a women who in later years wore crotchless panties and bras which had holes in the nipple areas.

  he not only knew the woman in question (she's now deceased), he has met her numerous times.

  up until recently this secret of her year's long sexual affair with rutherford was kept by the family.

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  Hi Athanasius,

  I am not Earnest, but I do have access to the 2003 WT CD.

  "Pursuing My Purpose in Life" As told by Hazel O. Burford appeared in the November 1st, 1955 Watchtower.

  Hazel was active in the Panama region, the Social Security Death Index provides the following info:

  HAZEL BURFORD
  Born: 18 Jan 1907
  Died: Jul 1983
  Last Residence: XX806 (U.S. Consulate: PANAMA (PANAMA CITY))
  Social Security Number: 110-60-9972
  Issued: New York

  So she was 48 years old when her story was published by the WT.

  --VM44
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  Does anyone know anything ?

  by The rock in

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  does anyone know anything about the book '' angels and woman'' do u have any information about it.

  as i heard someone say that it involved spiritualism.

  thanks friends.

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  Ken Raines wrote an article about the book:

  http://www.premier1.net/~raines/women.html

  and you can buy a reprint of it at Amazon

  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595005160/102-0703823-5171301

  --VM44
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  Did GB Member Carl Klien gloat over Dulaps Demise??

  by frankiespeakin in

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  i'm sure we all who have read "crisis of conscience" by ray franz must have wondered if governing body member carl klein had it in for ed dunlap.

  it sure seems like he was a manipulator,,he was even censored by the gb for it,, in reference to ed dunlap and even told to leave him alone.

  i think we should think about it,, for a moment,, and think about how much it must have stuck in his craw,, for being censored.. .

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  who wrote "WE'RE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"?
  

  and the phrase "Kiss the Son lest God be angry, and you perish in..."

  Arrgh! It's all coming back to me now!

  Oh, the pain of it all! (in my best Dr. Smith voice)

  --VM44
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  Ballistic's Picture - Who is the artist?

  by VM44 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

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  does anyone know who the artist is, and where i can get a bigger image of ballistic's image?.

  it reminds me of the artist magritte.. of course, it also could be a colorful version of "rover" from the prisoner!

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  Does anyone know who the artist is, and where I can get a bigger image of ballistic's image?

  It reminds me of the artist Magritte.

  Of course, it also could be a colorful version of "Rover" from The Prisoner!

  --VM44
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  Rutherford Exposed: The Story of Berta and Bonnie

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it was made by a women who in later years wore crotchless panties and bras which had holes in the nipple areas.

  he not only knew the woman in question (she's now deceased), he has met her numerous times.

  up until recently this secret of her year's long sexual affair with rutherford was kept by the family.

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  Thanks Farkel. I will get a copy.

  Back to The Messenger text

  They have been told, in so far as they can understand, that they may expect these noble men and, when they do appear, to meet them and put themselves completely under their direction. It might be that this little prince and princess would be stenographers or office children or clerks about the place, or perform some other duty that will be necessary in the Kingdom.

  It is hard to understand how a considerable group of people would buy into this fantasy. How could the writer write this with a straight face? Especially, when the house was constructed for the exclusive use of RUTHERFORD! This was stated in the same Golden Age article in which the Beth Sarim deed was published. It was EVEN stated there that Rutherford would not accept the house for his use unless he could find some "Biblical" reason for it, hence the "cover story" was created of it being build for the faithful men of old. With that story in place, Rutherford happily accepted the house for his own use.

  And the people back then also went along happily with Rutherford using the house, and the "faithful men of old" fantasy was used by them to justify their self delusion. It is amazing what a group of people will go along with in order to stay within the group, and prevent being ostracized from it. Somewhere there must be a sociological study on this behavior.

  One does not need much of an imagination to know what would happen to any Witness back then if they criticized the existence of Rutherford's use of the house. Hence they all go along promoting a stupid fantasy! It really is an embarrasement!

  --VM44

  P.S. It has been mentioned that some JWs when asked about Beth Sarim get a little nervous and do not want to talk about it. I lived in San Diego for 14 years and no Witness ever mentioned that house to me. Again, It is indeed an embarrasement to the JWs, both then and now.
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  Rutherford Exposed: The Story of Berta and Bonnie

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it was made by a women who in later years wore crotchless panties and bras which had holes in the nipple areas.

  he not only knew the woman in question (she's now deceased), he has met her numerous times.

  up until recently this secret of her year's long sexual affair with rutherford was kept by the family.

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  Regarding people close to Rutherford calling him "Pappy".

  I wonder if his son, Malcolm, ever called him by that name?

  More and more it is apparent that Rutherford considered himself some sort of Patriarch over the Watchtower Organization.

  --VM44