so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.
rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.
q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?
Wow, so much anger bottled up in one person.
Anyway, thanks for the thread, Morph. It's always interesting for the old r&f to hear the truth of life as wt slaves. Sad that some still want to go there as they only see the shiny veneer from their don't-go-to-disney-come-here tours.
so this is only my second post but its about something that has been on my mind for awhile now.
have any of you ever felt the need to pray or speak to a higher power?
do any of you beleive that we were created or have evolved with a "spiritual need"?
Alex, hope life is going well for you. I missed your first post so Welcome!!
Growing up I was not a jw, but always felt like "religious" people had something or knew something better than me. It was still a big time for church-going so it seemed that everyone knew some secret that I didn't have a clue about, and it somehow made me "less than".
Sadly, those feelings played right into the jw indoctrination program/"bible study" so that I dived in completely. Some of my family was "in" so I felt like I finally belonged. Tried to do everything right, studied hard, raised my kids as dubs, pioneered, moved to serve "where the need was great", etc.
But I still came up empty. Because when it was all said and done, and I'd done everything the way it was dictated from the wts, life wasn't glorious and wonderful after all. It was like finding out that "god's mouthpiece" was really the little man behind the green curtain in the Wizard of Oz.
Once I realized they were phony (there was just no way that a god of love, reason, compassion as represented by jesus could be so cruel, heartless, power-hungry and greedy), I just couldn't keep up the charade and walked away.
After a time of venting the anger over wasting my life and doing this to my kids, I started to read (gasp) worldly books about other religions and beliefs. There was so much commonality in the belief systems, I realized it all came down to your personal core beliefs. So I had to figure out what I thought was right without having a structured group tell me. I had to develop my own belief system.
I like to say I am spiritual but not religionist. I can't say that I still believe in a mystical guy in the sky because there's way too much scientific evidence to the contrary. It did take courage to go out on my own without my family and figure out what I needed to be happy in a spiritual way, and I don't think that journey will ever stop. But watching people drive to churches and pray over their meals and post comments on fb about jesus and god bless -- those things make me shake my head. It's ritual that provides comfort, but it's living in a box that someone else defined and designed.
Give yourself the freedom to explore, and the permission to not feel guilty. I have a feeling you're going to figure it all out pretty soon, and I imagine you'll be one of the happiest guys around because you have the heart and the brains to find peace within yourself.
Hugs to you and your loved ones,
cBg
so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.
rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.
q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?
Fisherman sez: You are a moron Morpheus. I kindly PM you privately and you broadcast what was not meant for others. You are a real Twirp. Enough said about you. I will never respond to you again. What a dope you are.I cannot believe how they could ever allow an imbecile like you in Bethel.
Fisherman, I have to ask some questions:
1. How is it that you believe you have any credibility when your response to every disagreement here is name-calling? Are you not aware that throwing dirt at others just means the ground you are standing on is shaky?
2. If you are honorable and smarter than [most] everyone posting here, why is it that you promised never to respond to Morpheus again yet there are pages and pages of verbal jousting where you are doing exactly that?
No one here knows your real identity (that I'm aware of), and none of us are trying to find out (except for lurking elders or bethelites), so why the need to be so vehement? Please, if you are so quick to take offense, consider why you are so unhappy with yourself. Lashing out at others is a sign of frustration, not reasonableness. Go find something that makes you happy and brings you peace.
found this.
http://jwalumni.org/2015/06/08/who-are-jehovahs-witnesses-september-watchtower/.
by misha anouk on 8. june 2015 in news
i was never told before i got baptised that i would loose my family if i got disfellowshipped.. no one told me i would get disfellowshipped if i had a blood transfusion.
no one told me that the gb was all powerful and tolerate no dissention.
that if i spoke to a d/f person i would get disfellowshipped.. no one told me in my marriage bed there were rules if broken d/f shipping resulted.. i was told my brothers would die or care for me.
Uhh, folks...pretty sure notoneoftheboys is just trying to make a point.
He gets it. But thousands don't.
i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.
he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu
And Fisherman cannot understand why he has so few friends here. Personally, I've always found that people trying to defend the indefensible resort to name-calling when they are countered with logic.
hi guys,.
i might go to the meeting.
i stopped going in my heart properly in nov 2013, but i went to a couple of meetings to support a love one that was df'd and tried to teach them a little ttatt.. now another df'd loved one is coming to see me today and will likely encourage me to try and get ri'd, and i want to support her.
Dear Sam,
You worked so hard to stand on your own after leaving that it makes me sad to hear that you're thinking of going back, even for one meeting.
If you go with a DF'd friend, it seems that you are supporting and promoting the borg as the right place to be.
Please ask yourself why you are really thinking of going because it sounds like the friend is an excuse. Ask yourself what positive outcome there might be? I see nothing but negative reactions from your daughter and son, and your mean-spirited ex, and as someone pointed out you'll be used as an example of how miserable ones are that leave--they can't be happy and have to return.
Not something to be done on a lark, methinks.
this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.
lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.
so who is lorenz reibling?
I knew they were rotten at the core but never realized how gangrenous the jwborg is at heart. Just an amazing job of research, OrphanCrow. I'm going to have to revisit this post several times to stomach it all.
I really, really think you need to find someone to publish this in the Real World (if there is such a thing). I am totally aware that jdubs won't read it BUT those inclined to feel compassion for or "study" with the dubs might step back into reality once they realize the scope of their lies and coverups.
At the very least, if your writings save ONE person from joining the cult - it would be worth it.
Thank you for all your work!
i hear a number of disfellowshiped are quickly reinstated in acertain circuit in japan.one disfellowshipped person who are obviously in worldly.
clothings, attended a meeting.whole congregation thought that person was not yet sincerely repented,but, announcement was made that the person was reinstated.branch office and circuit overseers are eager to bringdisfellowshiped back to the organization.local elders are not very pleased about it..
Gotta keep those numbers up, right?
I know of two openly adulterous and slanderous ones who were reinstated in eight months or less.
I think the only requirement is that the person is not actively proselytizing against the borg.
that's wat i heard the other day.
now you pay fines for your sins.. adultery is a 450 euro's ( for a firsttimer).
smoking is a 300 -500 euro's sin ( depents on what the blow was).
Are you sure you're not thinking of the catholic church???
