at the risk of being flamed, i'm sure i will, being new and all, but do you all realize what all this argumentation back and forth between ray is right and bill is right, etc., is doing?.
hq lurks here!
they're laughing at us in bethel!
Brummie <-------throws mouthy a fish bones and tickles her under the chin and behind ears.
Coincidently, I used to have a cat that used to sit in the window and chatter its teeth at the birds making strange noises like ...myun,myun nininini an,an,an myun myun,,,,,prrr, prrrr inininn
Gracey do you do that???? If so you are sooooooooo darn cute. (even if you dont got teeth..lol)
Brummie (who chases away the snarling dogs)
Edited by - Brummie on 10 October 2002 11:0:51
this is incredible.
i hope you all have an internet connection so you can view it.. i believe it's more likely to work for you if your sound is on.. .
it came from people at nasa by way of a friend of mine.. .
Spanner....bwahahahahahahahhaah
Needed the laugh after that hair-raising table appeared
Brummie
this is incredible.
i hope you all have an internet connection so you can view it.. i believe it's more likely to work for you if your sound is on.. .
it came from people at nasa by way of a friend of mine.. .
OMG! There i was staring at this stressed face (an understatement) and all of a sudden a flamin table and chairs appear from no where....sheeeeeesh that is sooooo not cool.
Brummie (who often gets things in the wrong context)
i thank you peeps know the rest of verse.
lol.
but comfy would never exult over opposers knot having peace among themmselves.
LMAOROF!!!!!!!!
You are a scream taking scripture out of context in that ole usual way...now we apposers wood knot dew that
Brummie
this evening i had a nice conversation with ray and we discussed our previous conversation.
while our previous conversation was remembered differently in certain areas we agreed that we should be peaceful with one another, i apologized for any misunderstanding and decided as a result to remove any negative comments made about him.
i do believe our discussion was productive and will help us both to be more supportive of one another in the future.
This evening I had a nice conversation with Ray
Lol....you and Ray had a nice relaxed conversation and the whole board went haywire and wild
i've been in a strange mood lately.
i keep thinking what difference does anything matter.
in a few years we will all be dead anyway and anything we did won't amount to anything.
Undecided
This is your moment of reflection, by going through this phase you will begin to look for a brighter outlook on life and you will find it. When looking at those photo's remember those are the people that made your life happier and you can reflect on the good times they gave you and you will remember that life is worth its moments of joy. They lived so you would have a life, they wanted you to have a happy life. Just as they made your life happier you too will make other peoples lives happier, what you have to give is not worthless. They would say the same thing if they were here today.
Life is a learning curve, you will learn a lot in your current frame of mind, and we all learn a lot from your voicing how you feel. We have felt the same way in the past and have found a new outlook so take heart, its a passing phase.
Brummie
at the risk of being flamed, i'm sure i will, being new and all, but do you all realize what all this argumentation back and forth between ray is right and bill is right, etc., is doing?.
hq lurks here!
they're laughing at us in bethel!
IW, its hard for people to appreciate you when you go around feeling so ill fated.
Mouthy is one of the youngest people I have had the pleasure of meeting and you owe her an apology, she wasnt even addressing you in her post, it was a joke post to all. She has mothered many exjws with care and support and the post was that of humour, to all! Lighten up.
remember who said the following:
Bill Bowen, you will never be as great a man as Ray Franz! Why? Because you act before you think! A fools folly indeed!
You didnt think before you acted, Shot yourself in the foot this time
Lighten up, you have posted good things in the past and dont need to stoop so low.
Brummie
Mouthy you are a star
mouthy......i cant believe we missed the chance to have you here in the uk !!!!!!!
sulk...sniff sniff!
sorrrrrrrrrrry.
You better be alive in 2004 or me and you are going to fall out....thats if I'm still alive in 2004!
Yes I heard from JE, I owe him an email, like how I owe everyone an email all the time.
You go to PA in only 10 days time?...(turning green with envy)...say hello to Darlene Carnes, thats a big hug to JE and DC from ME pleeeaasseee.
Thank you
Enjoy PA
Brummie
Edited by - Brummie on 9 October 2002 21:54:6
at the risk of being flamed, i'm sure i will, being new and all, but do you all realize what all this argumentation back and forth between ray is right and bill is right, etc., is doing?.
hq lurks here!
they're laughing at us in bethel!
HQ LURKs here! They're LAUGHING at us in Bethel! "Ah, look at the apostates imploding! Another prophesy fulfilled!" If you don't think they monitor this site to take the apostates' temperature, you're more naive than I am. They'll use this against us for sure. Geez, aren't we smarter than that???
Just incase an HQ lurker is here now
....Well I guess you wont be laughing so loud when you get the $3million lawsuits for your mental cruelty and paedophile friendly GB! Looks like they will be crying in Bethel .....we apostates will be checking your temprature soon, guess we are smarter than you thought!
Brummie
"i know ray franz and you are nothing like him.
" in integrity you are much smaller, in writing ability compared to him you fail miserably, in love for truth you do not compare.. bill bowen, you will never be as great a man as ray franz!
because you act before you think!
Bill Bowen, you will never be as great a man as Ray Franz! Why? Because you act before you think! A fools folly indeed!
Seems things are getting worse, Ray had more years of exsisting to learn from his mistakes before he took the public platform, he also had many more years of writing experience before he wrote his excellent books, it wouldnt be fair on BB to assume that he should be just as experienced as Ray. Bill will probably learn as he goes along, some of us often learn the hard way. Ray, being the gentleman he is, has extended the invitation for Bill to ring him and "clear matters up", he is graceful enough to discuss the matter and will possibly forgive the misunderstandings, we should be graceful enough to do the same.
If BB has lied in any way then he should definately make his apologies, things can only get worse if someone tries to justify a lie. He also should answer the questions that have been put to him. However we should still allow for the fact that this is all a misunderstanding and it is possible for Ray to have said something that Bill interpreted as being supportive of WT policies, even if it wasnt.
Both men have a honorable purpose, unfortunately neither are inocculated against putting their foot in it occasionally.
If I sat and listened to 5000 abuse victims I would probably run around like an headless chicken occasionally and point the finger at the wrong man, after holding the heads of even 10 victims one could easily get angry and see a whimsy statement as being a very serious understatement of the sex crimes against children, maybe this is what has happened, perhaps BB thinks everyone should be just as outraged at these sex crimes as he is, perhaps Ray made a whimsey statement and didnt sound outraged and that is what has given rise to the current whirlwind...its all "perhaps" until we hear anything else so we should wait and see. What is obvious is that Ray would be just as outraged but far too gentlemanly to sound anything other than composed and calm....seems to me this is where the problem began.
Silentlambs and Bill Bowen are 2 different things each supported by the other. over 5000 silent lambs are comfortable in encouraging BB to be a spokesman on their behalf and he has done a terrific job for them, if anyone is supporting silentlambs they should continue to do so regardless of this whirlwind, BB is a representative of those treated unjustly, unfortunately that will often push him a bit further to the edge. If he was replaced by someone else then we would probably have the same threads all over again, whoever represents silent lambs will be made of the same stuff as you and I, and that will bring with it the same problems as BB is having, whether they be wild accusations or self induced problems.
It appears that "this lie" has become the biggest thing that BB has ever done in some minds, yet surely the biggest thing that he has done has brought a voice to people whose lifes have been destroyed? One doesnt justify the other but where is the thanks for overlooking all the good with something that may be a misunderstanding?
Are you for Ray or are you for Bill? Is similar to saying are you for Appolos or for Paul? The fact is both of these guys are working for the same cause, and that is to bring freedom to those caught up in a disgusting abusive religion.
My pennies worth.
Brummie
(by the time I post this most of what I have said has probably already been posted and refuted and the topic ended 5 mins before, there was only 1 post when i began writing)
