Hey Robdar & Petty...what time does this show kick off? I must have turned the sound down too low and missed the whole episode...drat...unless its late starting.
Brummie (munching the M&Ms regardless)
Brummie
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Sacred cows and dead horses
by BB inwhats all the flap about some of you not wanting to see others beat a dead horse?
come on, can you think of anything with more intrinsic entertainment value or raw fun than beating a dead horse?
i say, "those who wish to should be allowed to swat away".. while were at it, some of the "sacred cows" on this board probably deserve a good spanking as well.
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Thinking about Bill Bowen...
by Pathofthorns ini was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".
i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.
it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.
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Seems to me that Brummie is saying that he accepts that both men have outstanding gifts and that both men also have glaring weaknesses.
Thats as simple as it was, I appreciate being unbiasedly heard. Those guys are made of the same stuff as all of us, though I am very aware that they exceed me in the outstanding gifts department and I exceed them in the glaring weaknesses.
As for fj, you used one of my quotes while addressing gary, since you misquote at lesuire let me misquote something I read in Ray Franz book: you must be suckling the tits of the governing body ...to reach the unfounded contradictory conclusions you reach. Other than that i think you must still be lost somewhere on the original thread, probably still trying to find the big deal. Thats what I meant about the giddyness caused by the other post. Poor fj your head must be spinning, its time to get of the merry go round before you haemorrhage .
Rev, your on the ball, like you I have only ever posted about 3 comments on other threads concerning this topic.
Path, Gary waiting and IW, enjoyed your posts.
And for the record Fj, you didnt upset me in the slightest, and I am not wasting one ounce of breath labouring that point. As I said, in my world disagreements are allowed and no man is a god in the sense of diety, not even RF... get over it.
At the end of the day Fj I am still not your enemy I just dont drink from the same milk teats as you do...but thats fine by me.
Brummie (living up to the reputation..lol)
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Thinking about Bill Bowen...
by Pathofthorns ini was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".
i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.
it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.
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You specifically stated that RF no longer meets your expectations. You wrote that your expectations concerning him were "unrealistic." How can you sit there and suggest that BB had nothing to do with this new view you have of RF? Really, how?
Hey I did disagree on minor issues before BB stepped on the scene, I disagree a bit more after he has stepped on the scene, so WHAT? Thats doesnt make me his enemy, I still agree with RF on many things and commend him and pass his books on to many, I totally disagree with those who think the sun shines out of his joint, (In saying that I am aware that not everyone who is defending him thinks the sun shine there. But if the cap fits you then you wear it, otherwise dont exhaust yourself trying to squeeze into a cap that is to small or big for your apparently balanced head )
Likewise..I did disagree on minor issues with BB before the recent RF responses came to a head, I disagree with BB a bit more after RF has recently stepped on the scene, so WHAT? Thats doesnt make me his enemy
I cant state any clearer how I am against neither. But if you feel a lot better after perverting anything I have said then hey, make the most of your joy, Im glad for you to have found a purpose in life.
You don't impress me with .
Like here I am doing my best to impress YOU and actually thats a lie, I really couldnt give 2 hoots whether I impress you or not, take yourself down of the soap box, your obviously mistaking it for a pedestal.
You don't impress me with your filthy illustrations nor with your piously self-ingratiating backtracking.
Well hey, sit back and chill and I'll entertain you by living up to the reputation
Brummie
Its not far back to sanity...I'll be there for you there when you arrive.
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Thinking about Bill Bowen...
by Pathofthorns ini was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".
i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.
it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.
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So, what's the big deal?
Talk about missing the point and losing the plot!
Well see the BIG deal is.....oh why bother, we would only lose you again in your inability to see the reasoning of anyone other than Ray Franz and those who hold his zongga. Go wipe your hands and change the scratched record. You obviousely missed the train here, and on all the threads.
Go and read all the reasonable threads for and againsts RF and BB and you will see the big deal was far removed from BBs original vicous atrocious aggressive monsterous horrendous attack on poor RF (who coincidently knew nothing about the 2 witness rule as it applied to kids despite garys quote from the Organisation book).
If Ray didnt write it, but only quoted from a previous book, are we all assuming he didnt read and agree with the organisation book when it spoke of kids facing the accused? Second thoughts, dont answer that, I'll reason it through for myself.
Whats the big deal
...oh geesh, lets not even go there again.
fjtoth, I disagree with you but I do not think your a bad person. I just disagree.
Brummie
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Sacred cows and dead horses
by BB inwhats all the flap about some of you not wanting to see others beat a dead horse?
come on, can you think of anything with more intrinsic entertainment value or raw fun than beating a dead horse?
i say, "those who wish to should be allowed to swat away".. while were at it, some of the "sacred cows" on this board probably deserve a good spanking as well.
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Hmmm thanks Robdar...I'll just turn the volume down a little as this might get rather loud
Brummie (munch munch)
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Hello, just thought I'd share my newbie story
by WingCommander insince i am new on this forum, just thought i'd share my story.
(though it seems typical on here) born into jw's.
parent's nutty jw friends told them to raise children like nazi's, and not allow them to do anything, or associate with anyone other than jw kids.
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Brummie
Welcome to you ...
Brummie
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Yet another news interview! Re: Silentlambs
by Valis inmy ear is ringing really loud right now...i just got off the phone w/our very own jesika and she was very excited.
as she proceded to pierce my ear drum she relayed to me that channel 8 news is coming to her house today for an interview...guess what they will be discussing?!!!
it aint the weather that's for sure!.
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Brummie
Echoing the statements of all here.....
Look forward to hearing how it goes
Brummie
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Sacred cows and dead horses
by BB inwhats all the flap about some of you not wanting to see others beat a dead horse?
come on, can you think of anything with more intrinsic entertainment value or raw fun than beating a dead horse?
i say, "those who wish to should be allowed to swat away".. while were at it, some of the "sacred cows" on this board probably deserve a good spanking as well.
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Brummie
Brummie <---- sits back with a cup of british tea ready to observes another resurrection of a sacred cow and dead horse.
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Thinking about Bill Bowen...
by Pathofthorns ini was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".
i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.
it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.
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This all might sound unreasonable to you
Yes, it most certainly does.
fjtoth
fjtoth if I could just lend your soapbox for a minute and state that nothing that I said is inconsistent with how I personally feel on the matter! I dont find in necessary to walk around with a tissue ready to wipe the current smear from Ray Franzes butt! Neither do I feel the need to walk round wiping the spittle from BB's mouth. This may sound complicated to those who do. I have more comlex and interesting things in life to spend time with. I give credit to those who have been able to give a reasonable response, whichever party they have defended.
I could go and paste what seems like your inconsistencies but I reckon doing that would give me the oppertunity to just miss all the valuble points you have made or ignore them, like you have done on my post so far. Also what may seem like inconsistences are probably not, its just that for the sake of being breif we miss out clarifying everything.
For the sake of clarity:
Whether BBs accusations are false or un-provable is another matter and another endless thread...that still doesnt tarnish Rays reputation FOR ME (you missed that "for me" detail out when highlighting MY inconsistences), it may do for others it doesnt FOR ME. I am not a follower of either man but would join either in a just cause, so I chose not to sit on the jury here since neither one is facing the death penalty or a long drawn out sentence in a cold cell just becasue they dissappointed ME or YOU in some way. Therefore my being disappointed in either guy doesnt warrant the conclusion that I now totally disgard either. I still appreciate all the guys regardless of being disappointed by them in certain things.
The jury already reached their conclusions a long time ago so so its mere hype to pretend our opinions are still needed to reach yet another fair conclusion.
In the world I live in, disagreeing or being disappointed is a natural procedure sometimes, it still doesnt mean we cut off and slam the person for everything they utter. I disagreed with RF on certain issues long before BB even thought about leaving the WT, if that alarms anyone then thats ok. What does it matter to me? RF is only a man, to prove it, he was deceived and made some harsh judgements over a 60 year period, but he still did it all as a gentleman and I have no doubt his heart was in the right place even then as a decieved man...Yep he's a man..why would I veiw him as anything else? I have not changed my opinion of him, he is still only a man even now! But to his credit he has done his utmost to correct things and has helped many in the process. Thats very honorable, but I still have disagreements. Same goes for BB, for you and for me and anyone else.
This all might sound unreasonable to you
Yes, it most certainly does.
fjtoth
If all this sounds unreasonable too then I wouldnt take it too personally, I find the blown up exaggerated, continuation of glorifying either fallen man is far more unreasonable than any weak link in my chain of words....
Your not my enemy fjtoth, neither is BB or RF and I'm not an enemy of either.
Brummie
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Today's my birthday!!
by StinkyPantz ini'm really excited because it's the first year i've really been able to celebrate it!
yippee for me!
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Brummie
Happy Birthday Stinky
Hopefully , among the gifts, you will get a knew pair of pants
Brummie