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The Rise and Fall of JW.com

by teejay in

i've not been here from the beginning -- those halcyon days of yore i've heard about -- when the place resembled an online corner cafe.

i remember a place very much like that, though, so i know how it must have felt.

no, i came soon after along with several others of a rowdy bunch and, after barging in with the rest of the gang, i liked what i saw -- a haven from the biting wind; a place to catch my breath -- and made it my home.. .

waiting

Hello Simon,

Mannnnnnnnnnnnn, was I ready to jump back at you ('mercun saying) As I clicked to reply, however, I noticed the ps. Thank you.

No, I try (really, I do) to stay out of the flames within the last year. I also am not against moderators - but please remember, Hawkaw was right in there with me.

I took exception to tj's remark about me "Say what you will about her"......but then, women *tend* to see from a personal perspective like "What do you mean....exactly....by that remark, tj?"

But few - if anyone - takes exception to Hawkaw's comments ........ any of them. He's a centered poster here. One of the best, imho. He's well educated, articulate and doesn't take far sides on anything, imho. And he doesn't have the conditioned negative response to "trigger words" - such as "elder mentality."

Hawkaw noticed the same moderator disparity I did.....and he said he privately corresponded with y'all about this.

I don't think there's overall hypocrisy going on - and I don't agree with all the comments stated in this thread - but I do still stand behind my posts on this subject dealing with IW, which happen to agree with some of the statements in this thread.

It wasn't a level playing field for all posters. The forum assistants had the power positions - and used them - in this instance.

waiting

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To: IW - Stop Dodging the Bullet

by Amazing in

jw
friends

first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.

if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.

my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.

waiting

Dear Fiesty Brummie,

Joking aside, I didn't want your post to get lost - it's the crux of the matter to me. And in the heat of the battle, (forum assistants, Bowen, Franz, overall view of victims, personalities) - I lost sight of it.

Thank you for reminding me.

People get so tied up in defense/offense of Bowen/Franz.....we seem to have forgotten that there's an "alledged" victim - of, if nothing else, a penchant for perfect adherence to Biblical Law ...may we never forget the real people behind the laws.
We are the real people - and we suffered for those laws. Some have suffered much greater and are forgotten.
On that I rest my whole case. Wise words and quite heavy on the heart as sugar puffs are on the stomach.
Seems to me IW met one of those who people label "alleged victims" when this happens you do get a new perspective and the reality smacks you on the nose.
Brummie

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To: IW - Stop Dodging the Bullet

by Amazing in

jw
friends

first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.

if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.

my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.

waiting

hey hawk,

yeah, I was so surprised when I heard about it......it never occurred to me that someone didn't like me. duh.

Most people who are as attractive, witty and intelligent as I am are usually conceited. Joan Rivers

duh again. I've actually found others who don't like me too. Who would have thought.

waiting - of the hawk fan club

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To: IW - Stop Dodging the Bullet

by Amazing in

jw
friends

first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.

if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.

my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.

waiting

Hello Brummie,

Fiesty this morning, eh?

To in some way help, but Ray Franz in his way could not. So it was with this family, they suffered, they too were left hanging in the wind because Ray Franz personally objected to breaking a scripture. The scripture was not one of the Ten commandments or anything this was simply one of Paul's little instructions we all know and love, but Ray Franz let them hang and walked away. In their case permanent harm occurred, terrible irreversible harm.
If this is all ok with you then I suggest you begin to defend the Society for the damage they cause on peoples lives by abusing Scripture. Because if anything is dispicable on this thread, its the double standards and overlooking the issue. Let Rays little helpers go and ask him if IW had the rights to mention the above.

Yeah, I've been remiss in this too.

People get so tied up in defense/offense of Bowen/Franz.....we seem to have forgotten that there's an "alledged" victim - of, if nothing else, a penchant for perfect adherence to Biblical Law - of which, we all love and obey.

And you're right - that is the WTBTS defense, pure and simple. "The Bible says......." And how many times did we go to the elders (sorry, but we NEVER went to the sisters for this type of thing) - and they said "I'm sorry, but the Bible is quite clear on this." Or my personal favorite "There is no written directive from the Society on this."

The most famous being "But my husband (or wife) is screwing our dog!" "Well, that is a sin.....but you still can't divorce them for it, as it's not *technically* adultry, now is it?" That's humor, btw, for those who miss it and there's been New Light and I think you can now divorce your mate if they like having sex with your dog/horse/cow/goat more than you.

lol - have to continue to delete major portions of this post for some reason!

waiting

edited to add: may we never forget the real people behind the laws. We are the real people - and we suffered for those laws. Some have suffered much greater and are forgotten.

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To: IW - Stop Dodging the Bullet

by Amazing in

jw
friends

first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.

if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.

my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.

waiting

IW,

I'll miss you. We tended to not agree a decent amount of time - even last fall over Ray Franz.

I think we both agree heartily that it's his book - and he can write what he wants. The UN can be interesting. It would seem that the newspapers, documentaries, courts, the world at large etc., don't think so, but hey, there are no victims, no crimes committed. I found it interesting, after it was all explained to me why it should matter.

Thank you very much for coming back into this thread and explaining your position. There seems to be so many personal feelings, agendas, etc. that in the end, only face value is evident. Which is, it's Franz' book & he can write what he wants.

As for Chitty and Greenlees? lol - AlanF & I went round & round on them & one of them being a child molester (sorry, I can never keep those men straight....no pun intended, but pretty good for Tues early am, eh?). That's the way AlanF put it forth in a thread. I challenged him round & round - he should put up proof or change his wording. He said he had evidence - but it wasn't possible to put in on the open forum. He finally changed his wording to "alledged child molester" - but then gave enough signifcant information to make it a very strong "alledged".

Perhaps AlanF is wrong about this also, but he sure seems good in his area.........which is research.

Adios, Island Woman - enjoy your beach! I am controversial, but only among people who don't share my views. JK Galbraith

waiting

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"God views apostacy as a much graver sin than pedophilia"

by Yizuman in

warp wrote this on the forum......"god views apostacy as a much graver sin than pedophilia, and that is a biblical fact.".

http://www.touchstoneforum.com/htdocs/dcforum/dcforumid2/81.html.

that's pretty sick coming from a jw in good standing!

waiting

A man with pierced ears is better prepared for marriage. He's already experienced pain and brought jewellery. - Rita Rudner (a woman)

Only a flaw of fate prevented Vita Sackville-West from being one of nature's gentlemen. - Edith Sitwell (a woman)

A man's womenfolk, whatever their outward show of respect for his merit and authority, always regard him secretly as an ass, and with something akin to pity. HL Menken (a man)

See? It's not just me. I'll do penance tomorrow, Uzzah. Promise. Well, I'll try anyway.

And you, tex, are just a boy in a skirt when it comes to sarcasm. Stll cute though.

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To: IW - Stop Dodging the Bullet

by Amazing in

jw
friends

first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.

if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.

my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.

waiting

You're welcome, tj. Appreciate your note.

Hey 6? Remember when Onacruise was using your "dumbest comment" statement to prove impoliteness? Well, I stumbled onto a quote which the poster you were addressing could have used as a proper retort:

The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they are going to be when you kill them. William Clayton

smirk.

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Seabiscuit

by teejay in

it is a rare movie that evokes spontaneous applause from the audience -- twice!

-- but this one did... and yours truly clapped right along with them.

a very fine movie with a very good message.

waiting

Saw it Saturday. The first part was slow - but then so was the depression. Set the scene for the rest of the movie.

It was a little different in facts about the primary figures (not the horse) as was given in the book review I read. But didn't seem significant.

Yeah, and people clapped right outloud!

Highly recommend the movie.

waiting

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"God views apostacy as a much graver sin than pedophilia"

by Yizuman in

warp wrote this on the forum......"god views apostacy as a much graver sin than pedophilia, and that is a biblical fact.".

http://www.touchstoneforum.com/htdocs/dcforum/dcforumid2/81.html.

that's pretty sick coming from a jw in good standing!

waiting

tex - your marriage must be fraught with trouble.....I've seen pictures of both of you. Well, only you in a skirt.

Your spouse should be attractive enough to turn you on. Anything more is trouble. - Albert Brooks (a man)

o uzzah, I can't resist.

More husbands would leave home if they knew how to pack their suitcases. - Leopold Fetchner (another man)

lost cause waiting

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"God views apostacy as a much graver sin than pedophilia"

by Yizuman in

warp wrote this on the forum......"god views apostacy as a much graver sin than pedophilia, and that is a biblical fact.".

http://www.touchstoneforum.com/htdocs/dcforum/dcforumid2/81.html.

that's pretty sick coming from a jw in good standing!

waiting

Hey Uzzah,

Point taken - with the exception of my post in this thread, which is closely in line with your post.

Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example. Mark Twain

*sigh*

waiting