First, Simon and other Mods, please let this thread run its course for a while. If it gets too dicey, then I will move or lock it. My goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.
IW: Since the other thread was locked, then lets make this real simple and get to the point:
You state:
Bill,I forcefully opposed your posts concerning Raymond Franz. I must now apologize for all the things I said.
Fair enough. No one faults you for that. No one worships Ray as some allege ... you are within your rights to apologize to Bill, or whatever.
Now you introduce this:
Someone I trust has informed me of some things that have caused me to feel that without a doubt your position was the correct one.
Ah, this is the crux of what I was driving at. I asked you for facts because you state you have some. Get them out in the open and stop dodging bullets with self-righteous scantimonious come backs. It is now YOUR responsibility to tell us what Ray Franz is hiding. Since you have "FACTS", and I trust that you would not lie aor banty about BS, then let's hear them. Stop all the presses, and inform we the victims ... yes WE because as I stated in a previous post, I too am a vvictim ... I want to know this great truth you have because IF you have something, then the victims need to know ... that is IF you really care about victims.
My point in calling Ray Franz later today is not to argue with you ... but to get his side of the story and see how HE wants to respond. I do not speak for Ray Franz. If he chooses to publish a response, then I will do that if he wants me too. I do not necessarily side with Ray Franz ... I simply believe in fairness, to hear both sides ... and to date, no one has provided any evidence to show that Ray Franz is wrong or that he knows something beyond what he has already said in print. You did MORE than merely apologize to Bill Bowen ... as you tried to make it appear as a mere apology in your previous thread that is now locked. Instead, you reverse your entire course by saying that you were wrong in """ALL""" you said against Bill. Then you continue on with stating that you now have some knowledge from a "trusted" friend who has convinced you that you were wrong. FINE, THEN STOP DODGING BULLETS AND TELL US WHAT YOU KNOW. This is what sickens me about the Bowen worshipers (a little reverse logic so you can see how the Bill camp sounds) ... the Bill worshipers constantly imply that Ray Franz knows something he is not telling and he is obligated to tell ... okay, fair enough ... then what in the HELL is it? STOP DODGING THE BULLET with BS whining and TELL US!!!Ray Franz should have supported you and not by his silence add support to the Watchtower! Whatever he knows about Greenlees and Chitty he should reveal and he, imo, should also openly support the Silent Lambs. He of course has the right to do as he pleases, but integrity and love for brother should, imo, move him to speak out before his death when the things he knows will die with him.
Again, in addition to your "apology" you make more allegations that Ray Franz knows something that he should tell ... and you now obligate him to support Silent Lambs ... then what is it that Ray is not telling? Why must HE support Silent Lambs?
I and others are working behind the scenes to bring justice to the victims ... but we are not supporting Silent Lambs. Must we too now sign up and become members of Silent Lambs and follow and worship Bill Bowen? I hardley think so. Bill has his thing to do, and I am sure he is doing his best, as we all are, in our OWN personal way. Bill Bowen is not the real problem here ... rather it is the whining worshipers ... I wish the Bill worshipers would stop trying to convert every ex-JW to their Bill Bowen Silent Lamb organization and get off their high horses.
Ray Franz has done what he can do, and it has been a lot. IF you and others expect MORE of Ray Franz then by all means, TELL US and cut to the chase and stop the bullshit about knowing something ... as though there is some big F--king secret ... FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIMS PLEASE TELL ... The ball is now in YOUR court ... it is now YOUR responsibility ... so, let's see if you whine and dodge bullets or have the balls to tell the rest of us so we can join you in apologizing to Bill.
I have no particular side here. I am just wanting to be fair and get to the truth, whatever that may be. I am sick of the BS, and simply want an answer instead of rhetoric. On the other hand, IF you are in error, are you as willing to apologize to Ray Franz - publicly? - Jim Whitney