Posts by Hummingbird001

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You atheist really annoyed me

by confusedandalone in

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when i first came to this site.

whenever i would try to talk about somethign from the bible that the jw's got wrong or reason on a scripture that had so much feeling you would stomp all over it.

talking about "flying spaghetti gods" and laugh at what seemed to be my expense and then leave the thread never to return and add any substance.

Thanks for clearing that up, Simon. I thought I read here a few times that the atheists were kicked off. Now I understand. I actually didn't mind hearing from them, it was the continual preaching from others that turned me off. I just got out of one cult, I do not want to join another. hee hee

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You atheist really annoyed me

by confusedandalone in

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friends

when i first came to this site.

whenever i would try to talk about somethign from the bible that the jw's got wrong or reason on a scripture that had so much feeling you would stomp all over it.

talking about "flying spaghetti gods" and laugh at what seemed to be my expense and then leave the thread never to return and add any substance.

Hummingbird001

I thought most of the atheists werekicked off this forum? And the ones that are left are restricted?

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Let's Hate on TV

by Satanus in

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perhaps, you're a fan of tv, perhaps, you're not.

maybe, you like some aspects of it and not others.. my favorite tv hates are 'news', and commercials.

i always mute the commercials.

Hummingbird001

Did you know "Pregnant and Dating" is an actual show?

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How Do You Know If You Are "Marked"?

by Thoughtless in

yeah, this has been a question that has been on my mind for a while, but how do one know if he has been "marked" by the congregation?

do they announce it?

i have expressed doubt last year about the org, but i still have responsibilities within the kh.

Hummingbird001

I remember hearing some of the marking talks. They usually ended up in a lot of gossip and speculation running rampant in the congregation.

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How Do You Know If You Are "Marked"?

by Thoughtless in

yeah, this has been a question that has been on my mind for a while, but how do one know if he has been "marked" by the congregation?

do they announce it?

i have expressed doubt last year about the org, but i still have responsibilities within the kh.

Hummingbird001

If someone has "marked" you, they are required to go to you privately and explain that they are "marking" you and why.

If they don't do that and are avoiding you anyways, they are probably just a jerk.

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Zimmerman Not guilty

by mouthy in

Hummingbird001

I think GZ needs to move abroad ...

We don't want him in Canada.

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EVERYTHING you always wanted to know about shunning, excommunication and disfellowship practice

by Terry in

the policy set by pastor russell concerning disfellowship procedure wasn't changed until 1944?.

what was disfellowship policy?.

russell had recommended in a 1904 publication that each separate congregation (remember there was no organization back then!

Hummingbird001

I'm trying to find an old article I wrote connecting certain people and happenings with changes in DF policy.

I have been researching, using a lot of the old threads and I saved these comments of your's, Terry. I'm sorry I didn't note which thread they were on, but maybe they are the comments you are looking for?

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In 1942, Rutherford was replaced by Nathan Knorr as the Society's leader.

According to Covington, it was himself who "had the votes" to become the President. But Knorr had "connived" him out of it.

An immediate clash of personalities resulted......at first UNKNOWN to Covington! Only gradually did the opposition become clear. In an interview years later, Covington refered to Knorr as "sneaky" and a "cobra" and called into question Knorr's courage because of witnessing him back down from altercations with Catholics in a public forum.

Knorr did not want Covington as his Vice-President. Rutherford insisted on his death bed that Covington be appointed. Knorr was poorly educated and Covington considered him ignorant.

Knor was rankled by Covington's superior education and attempts to influence Society policy through intimidation. Consequently, Knorr engineered a change in policy to exclude non-anointed person's (other sheep) from serving as a governing body member. By 1945, Covington was forced out.

A public relations spin was offered that Covington had "graciously declined to serve" in view of the new policy. Everyone who ever met Covington knew he NEVER backed down or withdrew!

Knorr's champion and fellow conscriptor, Fred Franz, created the new policy in order to install Franz in place of Covington.

Covington was retained as legal representative, however, attaining Supreme Court case wins in 80% of the lawsuits filed.

Knorr considered Covington's irrepressible ego to be a direct result of "higher education" and a superior attitude.

Knorr and Franz braced themselves.How could either one of them win a battle with Covington in the court of public opinion, in an actual lawsuit or otherwise? Covington ws brilliant!

Only one avenue of approach remained, where the "high ground" would be created to virtually demand all JW's worldwide to ostrasize Covington (or any other clever antagonists who challenged their authority) for Apostacy, if they could engineer grounds for disfellowshipping!

Consequently, the sudden stiffening of penalty and harshness of attitude immediately began to set the stage for an arsenal against any (even Covington) who dared take on the Governing Body!

In the above speculation, I am saying that the disfellowship policy was emboldened in reaction to percieved internal enemies, and once in place, grew stronger or weaker as threats came and went over the years.

An emerging through-line becomes apparent that tells us Politics of an Internal nature and NOT holy spirit, prayer or channelling were behind many of the most impactful policy changes affecting millions of faithful Witnesses around the world.

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EVERYTHING you always wanted to know about shunning, excommunication and disfellowship practice

by Terry in

the policy set by pastor russell concerning disfellowship procedure wasn't changed until 1944?.

what was disfellowship policy?.

russell had recommended in a 1904 publication that each separate congregation (remember there was no organization back then!

Hummingbird001

It's different when you see it all laid out historically, like that.

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Apparently, we are all dishonest

by diana netherton in

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i have been stewing on something all night and i need to vent.

my dear grammy's service is this saturday and i am playing along nicely, planning on going to the kh and being respectful and trying to be true to my grammy's legacy.

she was truly the kindest person i have known and i know she loved her religion and the people around her.. however, my sister, who has decided to return to the jw religion a few years back after being so against it, is up for the service.

Who knows what future victims of TM have been saved ...

Murder, as a "possible future crime" deterrent. How Orwellian.