i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
I should state plainly for you, publicly on your thread:
The century-long preaching of imminent Armageddon by the watchtower is completely flawed.
The 1st earthly event of the vision of Revelation has not yet occurred, so Armageddon cannot possibly be imminent.
i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
Former brother,
Your thread is actually an advertisement for the watchtower, is it not? You do not reason, you do not ask.
Are you a "former brother" - as in ex, or are you a "former brother" as in one who forms the watchtower community?
EDIT: - and I ask this in respect out of a more widespread - rather than my own - feeling of wonder
i'm new here, so please forgive me if i'm getting this all wrong.. i read on one of the web pages that the society has written "we should pray for the death of apostates".
i think this was a 2000 watchtower, but to be honest i was so shocked at reading it that i forgot to make a note.. .
can anybody enlighten me please??
Pretty obnoxious but doesn't exactly say that:
I don't think church literature ever really says what it "says" - it relies on a tidal wave of zeal to fill in the blanks without actually taking the full responsibility itself.
An exact - a genuine - article would remove any possibility of over-zeal in its interpretation, especially when it it speaking of God and when that over-zeal results in such a horrible action as praying for the death of others. Recall Jude 9, when Michael would not even rebuke the devil - let alone pray for his death.
i've been thinking this for a while.
even before the arc scandal.
it seems no matter what, the org.
i'm new here, so please forgive me if i'm getting this all wrong.. i read on one of the web pages that the society has written "we should pray for the death of apostates".
i think this was a 2000 watchtower, but to be honest i was so shocked at reading it that i forgot to make a note.. .
can anybody enlighten me please??
Hi!
I'm new here, so please forgive me if I'm getting this all wrong.
I read on one of the web pages that the society has written "we should pray for the death of apostates". I think this was a 2000 Watchtower, but to be honest I was so shocked at reading it that I forgot to make a note.
Can anybody enlighten me please???
See "The Gentile Times Reconsidered" page 5 footnote 5 which points to the 1993 Watchtower study article "Search Through Me O God"
Paragraph 14 entitled "Hating What Jehovah Hates" (which never actually speaks of God's hates at-all) encourages - in fact is a command - to that very action.
i've been thinking this for a while.
even before the arc scandal.
it seems no matter what, the org.
Just because they call themselves after the Creator, doesn't mean they will be protected, and just because they call themselves after the Creator does not mean they are the "one-true-religion" - just because a can is labelled "prime steak" does not mean it isn't really dog food.Do you think Jehovah is protecting the org. because if the ORG. would admit it many would just fall apart
They rely on their chosen Name to repel all criticisms, but that is a sin they will have to answer for.
l thought it might be a good idea to have a quick reference post to remind people of the faults within the jw org.what do others think.
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l thought it might be a good idea to have a quick reference post to remind people of the faults within the jw org.What do others think.?
The most startling one is their century-long preaching of an imminent Armageddon.
The 1st earthly event of the vision of Revelation has not yet taken place, so Armageddon cannot possibly be imminent.
how credible are nwt's critiques?
: allin and john 8:58.a few weeks ago we had a discussion surrounding john 8.58. the posters in this forum offered various views in regards to jesus' divine role in scripture.
occasionally, some scholars publish articles where they voice their opinion against the nwt theological renderings.
They are indeed - but in all honesty I think the whole thing has a life of its own, and none of them an stop what it is doing. That's worrying!
Take away the middle-man - whether he be Rome of Jerusalem or Brooklyn or Salt-Lake City - and you take away an immense blockage, just as our Lord described those who close the gates of the Kingdom to others yet do not go in themselves.
Religions warn that evil spirits might divert those who are not guided by religion, but those approaching with a sincere heart will at least have a sincere heart - they have no free will if they follow a church. and their heart is placed in a box. Far far better to turn to God ourselves and let that sincere heart bring God's guidance than to relinquish all that it is to a third party.
okay, i'm about to engage in a major word vomit.
just giving you fair warning as your time may be better spent somewhere else.. so, i'm sitting on my lunch break, bawling my eyes out, and writing on this forum to people i don't know yet probably have a great deal in common with but at the same time, used to scare the daylights out of me.
for years, i would come across this forum and 'lurk' awhile if you will, or see things on youtube.
An apostate is not someone who questions in sincerity, nor someone who has doubts, nor someone who expresses real concern over flaws in doctrine
... the flaws - and those who protect them - they are the apostasy. But to question is neither disloyal to God nor lacking faith - just how we learn, how we make sure of things.
best wishes,
Acts5v29
i am on a pension, so i could not afford to pay for a psychologist, but my good doctor referred me to a free clinic for people on a low income, for my anxiety and depression, so i have finally got my first appointment with a psychologist since i started my fade, so where do i start trying to explain the mental trauma i feel as a fading jw?
i would appreciate your advice.
simple .
Hi SImpleMinds,
I feel for you, deeply. If your psychiatrist is any good at-all he will understand the horror you have felt, and the long-term trauma. They don't give much out in the way of expression though - more guidance of the debilitation - but the hand-holding of others who are in the same position will be very, very cathartic, and that will really strengthen you. Horror loses its power when we meet more and more who see through its veneer of innocence.
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