Posts by Acts5v29

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

There's this lingering feeling in many, though, that to do so would be short-sighted, that they would be to throw out the baby with the bathwater - that God isn't at fault ( infact is very precious and there for them ) but some horrible poison has corrupted His reputation.
If nobody understands what it is he wants or who he is, how is that NOT gods fault? How is he precious and there for anyone? I earnestly prayed to God for thirty years, and got nothing back, so how was God there for me?
If God is all powerful, his reputation is entirely in his control. He is either not all powerful, therefore not God, or he doesn't exist. I violate for doesn't exist.

I think the notion "what God wants" is part of the problem - religions preach that God wants this and God wants that, but He has made perfectly clear what the issue is - only nobody likes it. That same issue is the reason why He cannot intervene - even after 30 years' of prayer - for us individually, but again: nobody likes the reason why. As for God's omnipotence meaning that He can do what He likes and everything is in His control... again the same issue answers this, and again... nobody likes it.

I understand your feelings, but can you perceive how many of them are due to what religions have said to you? Blame those who form the religions - blame centuries of bad direction also - but in all honesty God is completely separate from them.

I can show you if you like why God cannot intervene, why His omnipotence is not enough to let Him do whatever He wants, and what that issue is - none of which involves belief or religion. If you want, PM me - if you don't like what I show you, then that's alright too - but if you can understand how something so simple can explain your points, then I assure you that you will lose all kinds of concerns over God and the future.

sincerely,

Acts5v29

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

to do so would be short-sighted, that they would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater
But that's just it.. there is nothing to throw out at all. There is no baby either.. not a single person can produce any kind of verifiable real relationship with either any God or his so called son. It's all just fantasy, wishful thinking and delusional imagination. Those that claimed they did have such a thing are merely antiquated stories based on thousands of years old second, third, forth and fifth hand stories. Forgive me for not wanting to base my life on fairy tales and legends.

I can understand your scepticism. God does not need us to believe in Him for His purpose to come to fruition, which would beg the question what that purpose is.
I have a ministry which does not require one to believe in God, nor even in what the ministry says, yet is definitely Bible-based. It is greatly disliked by believers, but atheists seem to get it - even if they do not like it - at least those who use reason get it.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

Why no one chooses 'Freedom' leaves me baffled.

I understand your feeling - after everything people go through, turning ones back seems the best option.
There's this lingering feeling in many, though, that to do so would be short-sighted, that they would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater - that God isn't at fault ( infact is very precious and there for them ) but some horrible poison has corrupted His reputation.
I feel greatly blessed to have learned that He is not some monster - some Divine King Herod, as religions portray Him, poised to suddenly slaughter all those not in the mythical "one-true-religion" - but that for all His power He has actually been pushed into the wilderness by Mankind which didn't want Him. And that He knows that His love will gather so very many more to Him than any show of force.
see www.worshipJehovah.org/divineRescue
( not associated with the watchtower or any religion )

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

Good morning Liberator,

I've looked at your websites, and like the simplicity of scatteredbretheren.org - very simple, straightforward statements of belief, easy to check in the scriptures. Worship should be simple, otherwise those preaching it rapidly become ill in their struggle to explain it

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Pray for death of Apostates

by tsarina in

i'm new here, so please forgive me if i'm getting this all wrong.. i read on one of the web pages that the society has written "we should pray for the death of apostates".

i think this was a 2000 watchtower, but to be honest i was so shocked at reading it that i forgot to make a note.. .

can anybody enlighten me please??

Acts5v29

As a post-script, there is a scripture which reads:

But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart:

‘My master is delaying...’

and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites. There he will weep and grind [his] teeth [in regret].

---[Matthew 24:48-51]

Surely commanding six million witnesses to take on the guilt of praying for the death of others counts as a beating.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

Hello Alive!

Every church has their quite meaningless cliches - even the notion of "the good news" depends upon what good news they are preaching.

Like you, I'm sure that God is far above that.

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Pray for death of Apostates

by tsarina in

i'm new here, so please forgive me if i'm getting this all wrong.. i read on one of the web pages that the society has written "we should pray for the death of apostates".

i think this was a 2000 watchtower, but to be honest i was so shocked at reading it that i forgot to make a note.. .

can anybody enlighten me please??

Acts5v29

Good morning Blondie,

The watchtower article came out just as the "70-80 years of generation from 1914" was coming to an end - it was designed to terrify people who were asking questions about it. The result, as you may remember, was that people prayed for the death of people without knowing who they were - it could be their partners, their children, their friends - and those who ones would know that there were six million witnesses, authorised by "God", to pray that they die. I personally saw some people crushed almost to the point of suicide by that article.

Whatever knowledge a church may have, if its spirit is so vile and controlling then it is not guided by God. Who is to say they would not do so again if they had to? Or... repentance and contrition might help them a little, but their claim to be the saving ark for people has, I think, long since sunk.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

Former Brother

I have looked over the avatars of other people, and no-where do I see a photo of them on watchtower preaching work. I have looked over your posts, and - while the text sounds like it could be from someone searching, or from someone who is dis-satisfied or a "former" JW - all of them could also be statements from an active witness citing questions in challenge to outsiders. You ask seemingly reasonable questions to people, who presume they are receiving an unbiased reply from someone who is similar to them - but you are nothing of the kind.

The aim of your posts is to quietly instill doubt and fear in those who have already suffered horrible experiences - rebutting their reasonable responses and making them begin to wonder if there is an alternative to the JW, and then wonder what "terrible position" they must be in by leaving it. How utterly cruel, have devious, how manipulative, how disgusting. For all your Bible learning, you could have taught the wounded ones here - those so traumatised that they never want to look at a Bible again - you could have instilled an interest and love in the scriptures and a trust in God back to them, but instead you do this detestable thing.

The very fact that you have framed you questions and comments in such an ambivalent manner shows the work you have put into this deceit. I have seen many, many of these actions in the past from people, and they are no different to the lying action of the serpent toward Eve. Whatever your conscience is, I hope you feel it was worth it, but as this marks a disgusting tactic in your religion, you will find it is a Pyrrhic victory

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

I should state plainly for you, publicly on your thread:

The century-long preaching of imminent Armageddon by the watchtower is completely flawed.

The 1st earthly event of the vision of Revelation has not yet occurred, so Armageddon cannot possibly be imminent.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

Former brother,

Your thread is actually an advertisement for the watchtower, is it not? You do not reason, you do not ask.

Are you a "former brother" - as in ex, or are you a "former brother" as in one who forms the watchtower community?

EDIT: - and I ask this in respect out of a more widespread - rather than my own - feeling of wonder