Posts by Acts5v29

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

In answer to your statement, the ministry does not

"...seek to exploit fear of the future in the same way that the Watchtower does."

- the climate crisis is already inducing that fear; the ministry assures people that there is a solution - even when we cannot handle the issue ourselves - and that it is not a Divine Slaughter as the watchtower prophesies. It also takes away the need to find the mythical "one-true-religion" or belief system in order to survive.

In short, this ministry is helpful and fear-removing, not exploitative.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

You understand very well that I made no threat, and the language of your response by PM should be beneath you.

My PM was showing that a foolish pursuit does not end well, and that my attempts at averting them in the past only met with the very kind of response that you have given, and did not save the person who - intent on causing trouble - only made a bad name for themselves.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

The book explains the relevance of the ministry to those who have belief, since the Bible scripture is common to both our ministry and to their faith. That is why it is 80-90 pages, whereas the bare ministry could indeed have been explained in two or three pages. The book was designed to answer questions of believers who might wonder how the ministry compared to their beliefs and how it was not contradictory to the Bible.

However, the ministry itself is based on the 1st prophecy - the scroll for which predates the climate crisis (irrefutable) - and the climate crisis (also irrefutable). These alone form the reason which can appeal to believer and non-believer alike - lacking reference to Christianity, Judaism or beliefs even in God.

There is nothing dishonest in anything I have written here, in any replies, or in any description of what the ministry is.

I wish you well.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

The ministry is totally different from any religion - it makes no demands of belief, neither threatens nor promises heavenly rewards, and worshipJehovah.org is merely one minister of the ministry.

I have answered pertinent questions, but sadly some questions - e.g. evolution - are not relevant to the ministry, as I have shown.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

Your "ministry" is predicated on the assertion that we cannot solve the climate crisis but must depend on the intervention of an invisible deity.

Indeed it is - and thus far, the climate crisis is increasingly proving that to we cannot survive it.

By the time we realise that we cannot manage, we will already have exceeded what is dangerous, regardless of this ministry - there is no danger in the ministry, which in no way ever encourages people to stop trying.

The second part of the prophecy - that God can save us - will be shown at His intervention.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

This ministry does not say "Believe in God or you'll die" - quite the opposite: God will rescue everyone alive when He intervenes. Besides, it is to point out where to look for the context when the crisis becomes intolerable - those who see it in advance will lose their fears, but those who don't will know where to look.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

Coffy,

Evolution does not contradict the foundation of this ministry. The two components - manuscripts which state the prophecy as the 1st, and the climate crisis - both clearly exist.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

The scriptures are clear that violation of that warning in Genesis 2:17 brought about a split between God and men - a split caused because man chose independence. That it is a prophecy is clear: 'can we survive without God, now that we are independent' - and the atheistic views show that we are independent.

The climate crisis, it is merely a catalyst - it could have been anything which was significant enough to prove that we cannot manage alone. However, this crisis is undeniably huge. As it grows too large to cope with, should people still say:

"We've no idea what to do, and this ministry points to something which claims a context and a solution, but even though we're days away from total collapse we will not consider it until worshipJehovah.org addresses the question of evolution / Neanderthals / length of a day/ ..."

would that be reasonable? Up to now, all the rebukes have been in that very vein - is that reasonable? The ministry does not ask for or rely on faith in anything, it asks nothing of you but mental shelf-room - so why the vitriol?

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

Acts5v29

Good afternoon tor1500

@umbertoecho,
What I'm really hoping for is that many in the org. just wake up, they can stay or leave, it's up to them, but at least they know the truth about the org.

I think the fear which is induces is far too much for most, sadly. Perhaps you can help? give some supportive advice on how people could make that move? because it is a terrible harm which has been done to them - whether watchtower, catholic, pentecostal or whatever.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Acts5v29

Acts 5 - You continue to totally refuse to deal honestly with the fact of evolution.
Your entire theology is predicated on a literal Edenic paradise that never existed.
This is your "Inconvenient Truth".

You know how these forums tend to go - a bludgeoning without end which really leads nowhere.

I think you have mistaken what the ministry is for...

You mention evolution and could mention other things to do with proof of God. I understand these have been a comfortable sanctuary - a seemingly unbreakable closed door in the face of God-debates - but what I placed before you is not regarding proof of God or of Eden or anything else. I cited to the 1st prophecy in whichever extant (therefore irrefutable) scroll of Genesis which predates the (also irrefutable) climate crisis - the prophecy alone, and the climate crisis. These alone are the predicate - anyone worth their salt will see that they are distinct from extraneous intrusions.

the ministry is not to prove God's existence to non-believers, nor to add to the melée and jousting, nor to undermine other faiths, but to take away the fear of the future in those who do believe, and provide somewhere to look for those who do not. The starting point for non-believers therefore is not the prophecy, but the nemesis crisis. As we run out of options - and the crisis has its own impetus, so we do not have the luxury of time either - this ministry's suggestion will have given something to look back on as a potential context and solution to the problem. In this way, God is making it so that "salvation" - as in being rescued alive - is open and reasonable to everyone who hears it, without the debate of trinity, rapture, hellfire, faithful and discreet slave, Judaism or anything else: it is all down to what we see when we look out of the window, and where - ultimately - we shall turn when we admit we need help.

If you do not believe in God anymore, or you do not wish to think about it - please, be my guest. I'm not trying to make people uncomfortable (quite the opposite!)