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  What authority have the GB got left to them?

  by Half banana in

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  ( jw governing body members are invited to respond) .

  however professional and glossy their pr makeover is, as seen on jw tv and the jw org logo... the bottom line is that 19th century religious adventist claims are no longer sexy..

  to outsiders the jw org now has all the allure of a donkey wearing lipstick..

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  Acts5v29

  Good morning slimboyfat

  The answer would probably be along the lines: who else has proclaimed Jehovah's name around the world? Who else teaches who Jesus really is, the Son of God, and how he gave himself as a ransom for mankind? Who else tells people the message that Jehovah plans to restore the earth to a paradise for obedient mankind? Who else tells the truth about what happens when you die? Who else has love among themselves and will not take arms up against each other if they happen to live on opposite sides of borders? Other groups may have some of these truths or be so small they have splintered from the truth. Only JWs proclaim all these truths around the world. It is on the basis of having identified these core truths that the GB can be said to be being used by Jehovah to lead his people in these last days.

  
  

  A problem with this list is that it is a selective list of what the watchtower does, and then treats it as a touchstone for others. We have already spoken on another thread "Praying for the death..." which shows the kind of spirit they have resorted to - and I have shown form the scriptures that the fear-inducing centuries-long preaching of imminent Armageddon cannot possibly be true - yet you still do it. Given these things, exactly how can you claim to be being led by God?

  
  

  There is a better way... let yourself be led by God, and leave behind those things which are so clearly at the opposite end of the spectrum.
  
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

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  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Acts5v29

  Good morning Outlaw,

  Our ministry is different from the ones you mention, nothing to do with the watchtower no matter what coffy may impute - infact, a mere consequence of it shows that Armageddon cannot possibly be imminent, that the events of Revelation have not yet begun, and that the centuries-long preaching of imminent Armageddon has all been flawed.

  Ours points to the climate crisis, and says there is a rescue of everyone alive - regardless of belief - and points to the 1st prophecy which warned we would reach this stage. Its proof requires not only a nemesis - such as the climate crisis will eventually be - but also a rescue from God, otherwise His prophecy that leaving Him would bring our demise would be hollow. The reasoning is very simple.
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Acts5v29

  In answer to your statement, the ministry does not

  "...seek to exploit fear of the future in the same way that the Watchtower does."

  
  

  - the climate crisis is already inducing that fear; the ministry assures people that there is a solution - even when we cannot handle the issue ourselves - and that it is not a Divine Slaughter as the watchtower prophesies. It also takes away the need to find the mythical "one-true-religion" or belief system in order to survive.

  
  

  In short, this ministry is helpful and fear-removing, not exploitative.

  
  
  
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Acts5v29

  You understand very well that I made no threat, and the language of your response by PM should be beneath you.

  My PM was showing that a foolish pursuit does not end well, and that my attempts at averting them in the past only met with the very kind of response that you have given, and did not save the person who - intent on causing trouble - only made a bad name for themselves.
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Acts5v29

  The book explains the relevance of the ministry to those who have belief, since the Bible scripture is common to both our ministry and to their faith. That is why it is 80-90 pages, whereas the bare ministry could indeed have been explained in two or three pages. The book was designed to answer questions of believers who might wonder how the ministry compared to their beliefs and how it was not contradictory to the Bible.

  However, the ministry itself is based on the 1st prophecy - the scroll for which predates the climate crisis (irrefutable) - and the climate crisis (also irrefutable). These alone form the reason which can appeal to believer and non-believer alike - lacking reference to Christianity, Judaism or beliefs even in God.

  There is nothing dishonest in anything I have written here, in any replies, or in any description of what the ministry is.

  I wish you well.
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Acts5v29

  The ministry is totally different from any religion - it makes no demands of belief, neither threatens nor promises heavenly rewards, and worshipJehovah.org is merely one minister of the ministry.

  I have answered pertinent questions, but sadly some questions - e.g. evolution - are not relevant to the ministry, as I have shown.
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Acts5v29

  Your "ministry" is predicated on the assertion that we cannot solve the climate crisis but must depend on the intervention of an invisible deity.
  

  Indeed it is - and thus far, the climate crisis is increasingly proving that to we cannot survive it.
  
  By the time we realise that we cannot manage, we will already have exceeded what is dangerous, regardless of this ministry - there is no danger in the ministry, which in no way ever encourages people to stop trying.
  
  The second part of the prophecy - that God can save us - will be shown at His intervention.
  
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  This ministry does not say "Believe in God or you'll die" - quite the opposite: God will rescue everyone alive when He intervenes. Besides, it is to point out where to look for the context when the crisis becomes intolerable - those who see it in advance will lose their fears, but those who don't will know where to look.
  
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Acts5v29

  Coffy,

  Evolution does not contradict the foundation of this ministry. The two components - manuscripts which state the prophecy as the 1st, and the climate crisis - both clearly exist.
  
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Acts5v29

  The scriptures are clear that violation of that warning in Genesis 2:17 brought about a split between God and men - a split caused because man chose independence. That it is a prophecy is clear: 'can we survive without God, now that we are independent' - and the atheistic views show that we are independent.

  The climate crisis, it is merely a catalyst - it could have been anything which was significant enough to prove that we cannot manage alone. However, this crisis is undeniably huge. As it grows too large to cope with, should people still say:

  "We've no idea what to do, and this ministry points to something which claims a context and a solution, but even though we're days away from total collapse we will not consider it until worshipJehovah.org addresses the question of evolution / Neanderthals / length of a day/ ..."

  would that be reasonable? Up to now, all the rebukes have been in that very vein - is that reasonable? The ministry does not ask for or rely on faith in anything, it asks nothing of you but mental shelf-room - so why the vitriol?