as i have mentioned here for many years there are some things i totally disagree with the wt society on but one thing i do believe they have right is that the earth is going to last forever.
one thing that has always amazed me with born agains that teach the earth is going to burn up is the scripture where jesus says "the meek will inherit the earth".
this is clear and plain and why would jesus outright "lie" about the earth if he knew it was going to burn up?
WT propaganda paints all Christians with the same brush.
Adventists believe in a Paradise earth and most evangelicals
believe is a thousand year reign of Christ on earth.
The doctrines of the Watchtower are not unique, what is unique
is the idea eight men are the sole channel of communication and
that there are two classes , heavenly and earthly, which is nowhere
to be found in scripture. Christianity is about being one in the body of christ.
of all of the watchtower's many publications dating now to all the way back to russell, which one publication is the most damning in showing they are a complete crachpot of a religion?
and i course, i mean which original publication before they changed a few words and reprinted!.
personally, i think it is probably russell's the divine plan of the ages.
Anything Russell wrote with the wings of the Egyptian Goddess on the covers
and all the pages and pages of illustrations and lunatic calculations and theories
about the Great Pyramid. Its so utterly absurd to think the Creator of the universe
would choose this arrogant idiot to write this dribble and be Gods "sole channel of communication"
to mankind, to believe this, requires a phenomenal depth of delusion; to know what this man wrote and
Rutherford after him as well, these buffoons, charlatrans, flim flam artists, to read this stuff
and to continue to go to meetings and believe you are "in the truth", how is it possible ?
No one who is honestly looking at this literature can possibly be fully conscious and not
exit the Kingdom Hall and run for their lives.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/evolution/first-metabolic-processes-detected-outside-of-cells/.
precis: a graduate student at the university of cambridge accidentally discovered the first evidence of metabolism occurring outside a cell.
to test the processes that could have helped spark life on earth, students in the earth sciences department who had been working on reconstructing the chemistry of the archean ocean, which covered the planet almost 4 billion years ago helped develop some experiments.
YHWH is not the enemy. The Governing Body, of the Watchtower Publishing Society and "organization"
is the enemy. And how does the discovery of amazing life forms in any way "stick a pointed stick
in the eye" of the Creator ? The universe is amazing, all life forms are amazing. From microscopic
life to Elephants, all wonderful life, sentient beings who are able to percieve and feel things and who
are all around us enjoying their lives, its only humans who seem to be miserable, mean spirited
ungrateful and hard hearted. A colony of bees has a better time than most groups of people and
they do more important work.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/evolution/first-metabolic-processes-detected-outside-of-cells/.
precis: a graduate student at the university of cambridge accidentally discovered the first evidence of metabolism occurring outside a cell.
to test the processes that could have helped spark life on earth, students in the earth sciences department who had been working on reconstructing the chemistry of the archean ocean, which covered the planet almost 4 billion years ago helped develop some experiments.
Nathan : Why do think this disproves the existance of higher intelligence ?
Or the existance of beings invisible to us, beings, that are not carbon based, and don't live here?
The universe has 100 billion galaxies and who knows what forms of life are out there ?
God is a being, of some other form, living elsewhere, that is visually not in our limited
light spectrum that we can detect, "invisible" as the Bible puts it.
Scientistics with the aid of the HUBBLE space telescope photographing and observing
deep space and instruments that detect gamma rays and radiation have determined
96% of the universe is completely unknown to us, unknown, Nathan, a big "What the hell is that"
What they mean is they feel the effects and measure them but cannot SEE what is causing the effects.
Or why. Unknown and invisible, this means no biology on earth, or time estimate, we have of
biological carbon based forms "disproves" anything at all. It just is, what it is.
Numbers in the Bible are symbolic. Like 144,000 thats symbolic and nobody knows
what any of it really means. The Watchtower led you to believe there are emphatic,
calculations and definitions and timeframes and predictable outcomes for everything,
there are not. Its called uncertainity. Just bask in the wonder of it all.
we have a version with our commentary: http://youtu.be/yn17rj_pyd4.
we also have an un-cut, un-edited version of the audio: http://youtu.be/pihfucr38sw.
asl version: http://youtu.be/dd635pqpdle.
Obliette - excellent point and one never understood by the rank and
file Jehovah's Witnesses as you so brilliantly put it ;
“Lord, whom shall we go away to? - John 6:68
Notice it is WHOM, not WHERE.
The implication is that Christians were to follow a person, Jesus, not a religious organization.
Moses did say daughters could inherit property.
This Mosiac Law was repealled later by Rabbis.
Rabbinical Law overturned the Law of Moses.
Case of Zelophehad.
(Num. xxvii. 8-11
As a result of the question raised by the daughters of Zelophehad, the following
general rules of inheritance were laid down by Moses:
"If a man die, and have no son, then ye shall cause his inheritance to pass unto his daughter.
what is this wall like brick and mortar that separates.
your proud heart from mine contrite and broken?.
at one time -- i recall so very well -- your soul.
Come home, all is forgiven.
removed like the gong show.
i lost count somewhere after the 3rd time.
on a t school nite about 6 pm i stopped by the s/oversneers house... he had the instruction talk, i had the bible highlights and a service meeting part, we shot a few baskets and drank couple of glasses of.
These are great ideas - For you elders out there trying to figure out how to "step-down"
Just show up at the KH with no socks and your fly open, works like a charm apparently,
better yet no socks and no shoes and your fly open : )
when you were a devout jw.
did you feel that you had an actual "relationship" with jehovah/god just from praying to him and reading the wt or bible?.
or that this was actually even possible deep down?.
The Bible says the only name by which people are saved is jesus Christ.
Acts 4:12 No one else can save us. Indeed, we can be saved
only by the power of the one named Jesus and not by any other person."
If Jehovah and Jesus are two separate beings, or if God was in two places at once,
(like in String Theory, multiple dimensions) or whoever or whatever unseen forces are
remains a complete mystery to me. When I read the words of Jesus as reported, the things,
his brothers and best friends said he said, it appears he is a mystic, talking about dwelling in you,
and all of us being one. When questions Jesus said "I am not from this world" he also said he and
his father would come and dwell with us, he spoke of paradise to the thief, what Hebrew word he used
or Aramaic, and what he meant no-one really knows. Something happended to this Jewish young man
they called Rabbi. Mocking about people passing through walls? Physics now says that we are all
just light and energy and matter and energy are interchangeable. I do assign personality to God,
why should 100 billion Galaxies not contain other individuals and personalities besides our carbon
based life forms ? I do pray. I talk to Jesus directly because the Bible says everything has been
turned over to him. I pray to both Jesus and the I AM , the YHWH the mysterious absent force
and I see more good than evil and I do not understand anything at all except the very appealing hope
held out by Jesus to us all. If that means life in any form, anywhere, heaven or earth, I am glad.
Jesus said he reigned over death and the meaning of reigning with Christ to me, simply means to
survive and continue to live in some form with my consciousness after death.
personally the jws to me are not dangerous.
on the other hand, many do think they are in fact a dangerous cult.
why are they dangerous?.
Mouthy and Onthewayout - Well said - well put - it is not a benign and harmless
little religion, its spiritually dead and mean spirited and the very opposite of what
it claims to be.
