Posts by WindRider

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Question for ex elders

by Marilyn in

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i'm wondering if any of you ex elders ever felt embarrassed or awkward about having to stick your noses into other peoples business did it ever seem like that to you, or were you of the mind that you were a necessary part of the lives of the flock?

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marilyn

WindRider

Gumby, what I could never understand was why, after confessing to the elders that you committed adultery or fornication, they would need to know the particulars?.....who touched whom first, how long, what were all the acts involved, etc.?

I mean they have the act in question: sexual relations; so why can they not just counsel from that point on? Is it to humiliate the people involved?

I know there are many good, caring elders. Ive known quite alot; but then there are those few that you can't help but feel like they revel in every last juicy detail.

Windrider

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Define spirituality

by sleepy in

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define spirituality if you can.. what does the society mean when they talk of being spiritual?.

all i could figure out is just someone who follows the rules.. so if there is no god is spirituality meaning less or something still desirable?

WindRider

WonderWoman77, I liked the way you put that.....it IS difficult to put into words. Partly I think, because it is a very personal experience for everyone and it is not something tangible you can hold in your hands.

For some, that takes on the connection to their God, or their higher power, for others it is feeling connected to the life force of nature that is all around us; the essence of life, with all it's beauty, wonder, and sheer power. However we each define spirituality, I think the one thing we might all have in common is that it leaves us striving to do better, to BE better. And that can't be bad in my book.

Just my opinion,
Windrider

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Rodriguez vs WBTS in newsradio in Seattle today

by Calico_Cat in

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kiro reported the lawsuit filed by erica against the elders in.

her former eastern washington congregation and against the governing body for not doing anything about her sexual molester.

according to the news, that when she went to the elders to expose belize--the elders threatened to disfellowship her if she go to court.

WindRider

Let me guess; it was a Wenatchee cong.? I will have to turn KIRO on.

I didnt know there were so many here from the Washington area; I live in Puyallup.

Sincerely, Windrider

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Ta-da! We didn't get shunned.....this time

by Mulan in

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we were in the liquor store yesterday, and a former jw friend of ours walked in.

he looked right at me, and i could tell he was going to shun me, but looked again, and i smiled at him, and said "hi b_ _ _" he returned a greeting, walked over to my husband, who was looking at some whisky and shook his hand, and they chatted for a bit.. so, we decided that it must be okay to talk to us, as long as we are in a liquor store.

marilyn (a.k.a.

WindRider

Im so glad for you, Mulan. I would like to think there is a trend toward Witnesses lightening up a bit when it comes to shunning. Making up their own minds when they run into former Witnesses; at least when no is looking.

Sincerely, Windrider

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trouble for my friend

by Mulan in

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i have posted many times about my jw friend, who still talks to me.

for years we have maintained our friendship, because i have never been df'd or da'd.. she called me this morning to tell me that her husband is being called in for a meeting, by the elders, to discuss her association with me.

we are wondering, now, if a lurker on this board has turned her in.

WindRider

As far as why the brothers are calling in her husband with regard to his wifes "activities" is because he is the head of the household and as such they are required to go through him. It has always been that way to my knowledge; at least in the Calif. and Washington congs. I have been in.

I know first hand because something similar happened with me. I asked them why they were first waiting until they could talk with my husband present and address their concerns to him; why did they not just come to me.....I would be more than willing to answer any questions they had about MY friendship, and that is the answer I was given. There is a scriptural order that must be followed: God is the head of Christ, Christ is the head of the cong., husband is the head of woman. They did however graciously allow me to be present while they discussed the matter with my husband. When they were finished with his counsel (as my head my "poor actions" reflected badly on him as my head)they gave me mine.

Sincerely, Windrider

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Public Indecency/Streaking

by rhett in

ok, who here has removed their clothing in a public enviroment in hopes of exposing themself in one way or another?.

i don't need to fight.

to prove i'm right.

WindRider

I went skinny-dipping for the first time, in a mountain lake that was located down a rocky slope just off the interstate. It was the most wonderful feeling in the world to be out there on a sunny day, carefree as I swam around, looking and listening to nature all around me......I had a friend standing guard for me and then thinking all was fine I waded out to get dressed once more and lo and behold a family had stopped just above us to change a flat and the kids with nothing better to do were peering over the side of the railing taking in WAY more nature than I imagine they bargained for.........God, I was so embarrassed! My boyfriend, the "guard" thought it was hysterical of course.

I havent tried that again since but I would love to. It really is an incredibly freeing experience; very natural......I'll just pick somewhere a little more secluded next time.

Sincerely, Windrider

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Sex helps avoid cellulite!

by ISP in

if you have that sculptured physique....i guess you already know..... .

sex helps women avoid cellulite, says report .

a new report claims that sex helps women avoid getting cellulite.. german magazine glamour claims sex strengthens body tissue and helps the skin to renew itself more quickly, becoming firmer and more elasticated.. the reason for this is that during sex the female body releases an extra dose of oestrogen.

WindRider

LOL Skeptic! You always have my best interests at heart; you're such a dear that way

Well, sex does seem to be your cure all of choice and now you have documented medical proof......so who am I to stand in the way of medical science At least that's one prescription I can definately swallow....

Love you, you sexy Canuck
Windrider

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Taliban prisoners in Cuba

by Abaddon in

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does this trouble anyone?.

it seems semantic tom-foolery to declare a war on terrorism, and then to say that prisoners of the war are not prisoners of war.. it also seems very suspect keeping them of proper usa soil, as where they are they are out of sight, mind, or appeal by civil-rights factions.. do not get me wrong.. i am not saying, "ah, poor ickle terrorists".. but in a war against terror, surely taking each and every opportunity to distance yourself from your enemies is the wisest and best course of action?.

why do anything that is even remotely dodgy or underhand?.

WindRider

Seeker,

Maybe we should just "read his lips" when Bush talks about fair representation and trials for those charged. I mean it's not like he would lie or anything.....well, it worked for his father!

Sincerely, Windrider

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Taliban prisoners in Cuba

by Abaddon in

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does this trouble anyone?.

it seems semantic tom-foolery to declare a war on terrorism, and then to say that prisoners of the war are not prisoners of war.. it also seems very suspect keeping them of proper usa soil, as where they are they are out of sight, mind, or appeal by civil-rights factions.. do not get me wrong.. i am not saying, "ah, poor ickle terrorists".. but in a war against terror, surely taking each and every opportunity to distance yourself from your enemies is the wisest and best course of action?.

why do anything that is even remotely dodgy or underhand?.

WindRider

I agree with Seeker and Abaddon. There are many things I love about my country(U.S.), current administration's handling of the "Prisoners of war" or whatever designation they are being given is not one of them! It saddens me and fills me with both shame and a healthy dose of fear to see Bush just running rough-shod on basic human rights. Anyones! The other thing that strikes me is that who is to say that these people are even guilty....of anything, let alone the Al-Quaida business. And I unfortunately, would not be surprised if they are being treated less than fairly and less than what a normal person would consider humanely.....I hope I am wrong. There was a time when I thought I could be sure this would not happen...then '"resident" Bush took over and things have never been the same.

He is not only making up the rules as he goes with regards to the prisoners over in Cuba; he is breaking/changing the rules as he goes here and it is really freaky how he is getting away with it. Not all Americans are the closed-minded, self-centered citizens that some on this board seem to feel. There are many, many who are not in agreement with Bush and are doing all they can to let him know about it.....not that it means squat to him. Various civil rights groups and prominent political spokespersons have gone to Washington to air their concerns and grievances at the trampling of human rights, both in and out of our country. Yes, many of our rights we used to take for granted no longer exist as of 2001. He told the press he would "graciously give them an audience but that it would in no way change his mind or his actions"....because "desperate times call for desperate measures"! Somehow, I guess that means it gives him special liscense to do whatever the hell he wants. "We" currently have no right whatsoever to get on China's back with regard to how they treat people.

I just hope that people around the world realize that Bush does not speak for every American and that like ANY country, (Jan H. please take note :)....there are good and bad people here; informed and caring about people at home and around the world and people who just dont seem to care about any atrocity or disaster as long as it doesnt hit too close to their home. That is one of the things I love about this board: there are so many friends to make and viewpoints to share from all around the world. I find that very exciting, stimulating, and enlightening.

Sincerely, Windrider

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Anybody from California?

by hungry4life in

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i live in northern california.

most of the conventions and get togethers i have seen posted are in the midwest.

am i all alone out here?

WindRider

I used to live in both Santa Ana and Riverside but now am in Washington. I grew up in So. Cal.

Sincerely, Windrider