Posts by wokeup

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Please help with list of ways WTBTS has gone beyond scriptures...

by FlyingHighNow in

i want to compile a list of ways the wtbts has gone beyond scripture.

deciding that god will destroy you forever if you smoke cigarettes.

i know someone will come back and say there have been 900 threads on this subject.

wokeup

Couldn't resist. Perhaps :

1) Shutting up the Kingdom: of the Heavens to mankind since 1935 by setting up an artificial date.

Mat. 23:13

2) Substituting themselves (GB) as the 'sole channel' between God and humankind instead of Jesus.

Gal.6:3, 1Tim 2:5

3) Guilty of Organizational Idolatry, substituting a billion dollar publishing corporation as ' the way, the truth and the life' instead of Jesus.

John 14:6, 2 Cor.11:15, 1 Cor.10:14,15

4) Cultivating dependence upon a myriad of books and magazines which elevates the opinions of men as divine revelations from God.

2 Tim. 3:16

5) False prophecy. Mat.24:11, Deut.18:20 need not get explicit do to the obvious.

6) Unscriptural 'Class' system imposed upon members. Acts 10:34

7) Substituting a pseudo 'Good News' in place of the 2,000 yr. old Gospel . 1 Cor.15:4, Gal.1:6-9, Col.1:5,6

8) Judging the millions of Christians in the world for having the false hope of putting faith in Jesus, wrongly believing they belong to him, and dare think of going to heaven, and oh no!, have not apostasized from their current belief system to be a JW James 4:12, Eph.4:4,

9) Ignoring Rev.22:18,19 (They have an exemption card)

10) To imply that Gods' Word and his Spirit are somehow impetent since 1914 and that Jesus set up an instrument for people to put faith in and obey for salvation in these last days.

11) Vilify ,label and shun anyone who realizes the above and exposes them for who they are.

Allen

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What will the Watchtower do when all of the "annoited class" pass away ???

by run dont walk in

now, i am referring to the group before the 1935 cut-off date, will it even matter to them, because they is still a lot of "replacements" around you have replaced those who fell away.. another question, "could someone die, be brought up to heaven to help rule, and fall away up there ???".

watchtower's "new light" hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm.. or maybe another "new" heavenly class ???.

any thoughts .....................

wokeup

Jesus said the end would be cut short for the sake of the 'chosen ones'. Since the ruling party has referred to themselves as the 'chosen ones' they will never die off. Otherwise they would have to recieve 'new light' and pass the brass ring to the 'Given Ones' and extend the title to the 'spirit appointed' class Allen

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Two most important doctrines of JW's.

by Mr Bean in

1. you will believe in the sacrifice of jesus christ.

2. you will believe in god's anointed,directed and inspired organization.. .

in case you are not sure, study baptismal questions.. .

wokeup

I've always percieved the 2 most important doctrines by the society as:

1) The Bible and Gods' Spirit are no longer sufficient to adequately direct Christians after 2 melliniums, requiring a 3rd party aka...F/S

And the 2nd fits nicely into the first

2) Upon the closing of the Kingdom of the Heavens by Rutherford in 1935, they in effect denied Jesus' role as mediator to the rest of humanity thus substituting themselves as quasi mediators eg... sole channel God is using.

As a result of this 'coming into Jehovahs' organization' is substituted for belong to the Christ, his 'body' and thus the need to be baptized into the organization rather than into Christ. What had started out decades ago as a means has become the end for the pursuit of salvation in the religion.

This in my opinion, is Idolatry, pure and simple.

Allen

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Kingdom Ministry, July

by Country Girl in

jw
friends

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for purposes of getting on the jwmatch.com site, what are the songs for july 14th and july 21st?

thanks... cg

wokeup

7/14 - #56,176

7/21 - #184,201

Have Fun

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Who were the apostates I once saw?

by ballistic in

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friends

there was talk the other day of "modern day apostates" which made me think back to the pre-internet days at conventions where we used to get leaflets sprung on us by what i then presumed to be apostates.

who are the apostates of the 80s and 90s who used to spring leaflets on us?

are they now on the net with us modern day apostates?

wokeup

There was a group out in California, 20 or so years ago called 'Christain Prophets of Jehovah' that used to picket the Cow Palace. My mother in law was one of 'um. I didn't think much of it. She was quite delusional and paronoid.

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NWT informative Pamphlet FYI

by Adonai438 in

their kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures declares:

11. john 1 :1 [''god" as "a god" in order to.

gruss comments:

wokeup

Angie, thanks for the post, I remember reading many of these things a couple years ago when I first went online and have enjoyed reading these again, despite the small font size. I wondered about the NWT of Rom.14:7-9 for years because it defied common sense.

Allen

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Broadband internet what does it cost you?

by haujobbz in

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friends

hello chums!!!

i recently subscribed for broadband internet 512kbsec which "b.t" provides at 29.99 ( roughly about 50 dollars a month) is that expensive for the uk i think it is,what i want to know is which of you have broadband internet and how much does it cost monthly for your country mmmm im wondering if yours is cheaper.

" later"

wokeup

Got broadband "Wireless" at 384k for 49.00/month. Good for rural area I'm in.

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What is a JW childhood like?

by knighthawk1981 in

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friends

i was wondering what it is like to experience childhood in the org.

i am an aspiring writer ad the org has always interested me...not in the sense that i'd like to join.

please send me some replies.

wokeup

Setting: 1960's east Palo Alto, Ca.(Outer limits theme in background) Fear that my all my relatives and beloved grandparents were all going to die like in the pic in the Paradise lost book. Fear of my abusive alcoholic step-father coming home in the middle of the nite. Frequent physical attacks daily for being the only white boy( jw at that!) in an all black school. Being mocked at the door by the same students in field service. Fear of prejudiced adults sicking their dogs on you. Fear of the Black Panthers in your midst. Fear of the Zodiac killer. Fearful sights of the war in 'Nam on TV each night. Fear of the Congregation Overseer who intimidated me. The fear seeing older brothers I knew being reprimanded for sins such as wearing a mustache. My first talk in the main hall against my will at 8 years old .Fear that Jehovah will kill me for succumbing to that piece of birthday cake at school and being jealous of the christmas presents the other kids got. 'cause Armaggedons' right around the corner. Wishing an Alien would wisk me away in time .

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WHY DO JW'S USE MORE OLD TESTAMENT THAN NEW?

by minimus in

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friends

every book that is published, every magazine written ,highlights the hebrew scriptures as opposed to the greek.do you think it's because most christians stress christ's words and jw's need to be different?

wokeup

Very simple, the majority of the NT writings are not applicable to the great crowd according to JW theology. (Remember they were writtin for THEIR instruction) It is up to the ruling party to decide which scriptures pertain to great crowd and the potential converts. That is why the pet scriptures are reiterated so much in the pubications. There's countless scriptures that you just will not see because they conflict with current dogma. As a diversion the writing dept. has been good about creating all those antitypical parallels from the OT that Jesus and the apostles just couldn't figure out for themselves or forgot to tell us 8&> Gal. 1:8,9 says it all.

Allen

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Enemies page 118

by badboy in

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friends

`all liars and murderers are religionists'.

atheists never lie or murder?.

was communist pol pot a religionist when he ordered mass murder?.

wokeup

I liked this little gem on page 291

" Will Great Britain and America become Fascist under the dominating control of the Roman Catholic Hierarchy? The Scriptures and the facts appear to fully support that conclusion."

The Spirit at work again, hic!

Allen