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  Bullet list of major (recent) changes

  by RN in

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  it is with great interest that i recently read ceders article on the decline of the wts.

  his article along with many of the comments really drives home just how many major changes there have been in a fairly short peroid of time.. somewhere in the recent past i could swear that someone had posted a bullet list of major changes with the corresponding year.

  when i saw this (or something like it) my first thought was that this simple list made it all the more shocking; and since i have searched and cannot find anything like it.. so i dug around and started one of my own, please feel free to add/corrects events.

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  Will Jehovah himself kill me, or will Jesus, Satan, or someone else?

  by InterestedOne in

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  i've heard people here say jw's believe that jehovah will slaughter non-members of the jw religion when armageddon comes any day now.

  does the watchtower teach that jehovah himself will do the killing, or is it delegated to someone else like jesus, satan, angels, or humans killing each other?

  who is the actual killer in the picture?

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  Yesterday's WT

  by tornapart in

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  anyone who's still 'in' and went yesterday, how did it make you feel?.

  before i went i read the passage of scripture from romans 7 and 8 in a couple of other translations bsides nwt.

  beautiful and uplifting, how the spirit guides us and helps us overcome our imperfect nature.

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  The Watchtower leaders are so full of themselves denying the very Gift they themselves percieve to possess. It is by no accident

  they bounced around the 8th chapter of Romans. The arguement is weakened and even distorted that Paul was making.

  Their intentional ommitance of verses 9,10 speaks volumes. It would have reminded the adherents that they do not have Gods/Christ Spirit which is life and they are still dead in their trespasses.

  Their doctrine leads the reader to think that somehow the GB had faith good enough to be chosen and ruling over God's earthly representation of his kingdom and their faith has them 'justified' in his sight. Everyone else just didn't cut the mustard or were born too late.
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  what do jws have to say when getting baptised ? do they dedicate to god and jesus or the watchtower ?

  by looloo in

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  Menlo Park (CA - USA) Kingdom Hall

  by Juan Viejo2 in

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  i received an anonymous email over at ex-jw.com that had an attached legal filing.

  the first couple of pages seemed to be standard legal filings, but the rest of the pages looked like standard typed documentation (not in numbered double-spaced legal format.

  ) i'm not quite sure what to make of it, so wonder if anyone here has heard of it.

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  Conjuring up some old memories. I Remember the congregation servant lived off Valparaiso ave. in Atherton.

  His daughter was a pioneer and went off to be a missionary. It was a fairly segregated city at the time.

  On one side of the Bayshore was middle & upper classes. the east side, Belle Haven and East Palo Alto were crime ridden. It was built on landfill by the Bay.

  As Mrs.Jones recalled correctly, the majority of members were black. Remember one sister had about 10 stairstep kids in the late 60's.

  When the elder arrangement kicked in in 72. The majority of elders were white.

  The hall was originally an unpretentious 2 story on a tiny lot with the Bayshore Freeway nearly in it's back parking lot. First stepped in it in '63.

  Not too well lit. The uncarpeted floor made the sound system echo at times. Names Kafka, Filardo, Hart, Allen come to mind (forgive the spellin been near 40 years last I saw them.

  The property value must be pretty high despite it's proximity to the Bayshore Freeway. With small older homes averaging a million plus in that area, the hall property is probably closer to the 2 million range.
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-16-10 WT Study (LIVE UP DEDICATION)

  by blondie in

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  comments you will not hear at the 05-16-10 wt study (march 15, 2010, pages 14-18)(live up dedication).

  review comments will be in red or headed by comments.

  wt material from today's wt will be in black.

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  In Paragraph 1 after citing Acts 2:22,36,41 in reference to the 3,000 it says 'they would have'been baptised in water in the name of the Father, the Son and holy spirit'.

  2 problems with this statement. First, they intentually omit verse 38 where Peter explicitly states they baptised in the name of JESUS.

  Second, they omit caps on Holy Spirit.

  There is no account in the bible where the disciples baptised in the name of the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit.

  There are only 1 of four options here:

  Matthew 28:19 is spurious.

  The disciples understood that command to mean to baptise in Jesus name only.

  They disobeyed Jesus.

  The bible writers under inspiration 'forgot' to include that small detail.

  Paragraph 2 infers the 3,000 baptised were not annointed like the 120, by comparing the 3,000 baptised to those baptised at their conventions and assemblies 'in the name of' strongly suggest they are insinuating there were 'other sheep' being baptised soon after Jesus death. If the watchtower writers indeed are trying to introduce this concept it most likely due to them wanting to reduce the number of annointed in Jesus' day to prop up there literal 'little flock' numbers.

  Paragraph 3, the first sentence. There is no explicit NT teaching to support this view. Otherwise, the watchtower would plaster them all over their literature. This is simply injecting preconcieved ideas into the text. Also, Witnesses clearly do not baptise in the name of the Father, the Son and holy spirit'. The 2 baptism questions testify to that.
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  Inside The Jonestown Massacre

  by Bangalore in

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  inside the jonestown massacre.. http://www.cnn.com/2008/us/11/12/jonestown.factsheet/index.html.

  bangalore.

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  Oh yes, I remember all that. I was living in the Bay Area at the time Jones moved to SF and he became buddies with Moscone. He was some nut job. Never understood what people saw in him. And for Moscone to put him over the housing authority was just wrong. Moscone was taken out about a week or so after the mass killing took place if I remember correctly.
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 03-07-10 WT Study (DEDICATE JAH)

  by blondie in

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  he will even restore his loyal ones to their youth so that they can benefit from his care.

  more happiness than dedication ourselves to anything or one else--even a spirit-directed organization?.

  about making the choice to belong to jehovah.. comments.

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  This dedication concept as a pre-requisite for baptism is not a New Testament teaching. If you look at all the baptisms in the book of Acts (both Jews & Greeks), it makes no mention of some vow (add study program, ministry school, 100+ baptism questions) prior to emersion. And Romans 12:1 is addressing 'brothers'. It sounds good and feels good to many, giving them a sense of duty or acomplishment, but I just don't see it. (there is a greek work for dedication) If it was such an important tenet of Christianity it would be explicit. To me, making this vow and 'living up to it' is NOT the plan of salvation. It takes away from the value of what Christ died for, making it a 'down payment' as it were substituting works for faith.

  Seems the leadership also frequently confuses the word covenant with dedication. they are not synonymous last I checked, The Jews were under the Mosiac Law Covenant, not the Mosiac Law Dedication.

  I suppose they have no fear of standing before the judgement seat of Christ since they feel THEY are the Christ too. They're in for a sad awakening.
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  COMMENTS YOU WILL NOT HEAR AT THE WT STUDY - Maintain Joy In Times of Trouble

  by Mary in

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  i'm doing the comments for blondie this week as i believe she and her hubby are on the road.

  -read isaiah 63:9, 10.. once again i ask: if he feels so distressed and hurt, then why doesn't he do something about it?

  at times, hannah was so discouraged that she would weep and not eat.

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  Noticed Jesus got the usual token sentence- 'yes, like Jesus' (paragraph 2). And they call themselves 'christian'. They could have at least quoted

  Mat.11:28-30. I see the holy spirit really at work here. Such a moving and uplifting article.
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  Dedication of Kingdumb Hall?

  by NikL in

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  so my wife who is an active sister got an "invite" to the dedication of the new hall in our town.. apparently it's a big deal 'cuz some big whig from krooklyn is coming to deliver a talk, yada yada yada.. my question, why spend the bucks to fly some old geezer out to the west coast for a building dedication?

  is it not officially a kingdumb hall without his coming and having a big ceremony?.

  just curious about your thoughts..

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  I've found it interesting that the ancient civilizations' practice of dedicating public and religious edifices to their gods was not taught by Jesus.

  A matter of fact, the precedent or command to even construct them is absent in the New Testament. To me that says alot.