Posts by wokeup

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Questions Regarding the New Light on the FDS

by Ding in

it's my understanding that the old light regarding the faithful and discreet slave was that in 1918-1919 jesus appointed the faithful and discreet slave over all his house.. but under the new light, it's a two-stage process.. now the "truth" is that in 1919 jesus appointed the governing body to provide spiritual food in due season and the gb will only be placed in authority over his domestics during the great tribulation.. all of this is wt nonsense, but in order to get jws who believe this stuff to think about the implications, my questions are:.

1. what will the future appointment authorize the governing body to do that is not yet authorized?.

2. since under the old light the governing body has wrongly believed they have had this authority since 1919, doesn't this mean they have been wrongly exercising authority that jesus hasn't yet given them?.

wokeup

I've been mulling over the nu lite on the current watchtower leaders revised historical and theological premises. Much has already been said but have to throw in my 2 cents.

I noticed sometime ago the Society quit referring to the founder and 1st president CT Russell as founder and said the Jesus founded the 'Truth". Then a couple months ago referred to Russell as the 1st 'editor', theologically demoting him.

NOW he has been theologically castrated by inferring that CT Russell was NOT a faithful slave nor anointed and the Watchtower Society wasn't even God's organization for 40 years till 1919!

It seems logical that the next step for the governing body will be to attach profound theological significance to Rutherfords' release from the Atlanta state Pen in 1919 more than ever, especially since nothing else happened that year. Perhaps nu lite on the Cedar Point Ohio conventions as well.

My 2 cents worth

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Dear watchtower bible and tract society, governing body, and all of your twisted teachings...

by OneDayillBeFree in

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after today's watchtower study which was basically a mind controlling article about shunning your loved disfellowshipped ones, i've come to see just how sick, twisted, vile, rotten, repulsive, disgusting, and just plain evil you all are.

so i stormed out.

i don't know if i'll ever come back to your meetings again.

wokeup

This article is classic mind manipulation. If a member is disfellowshipped for ANY reason, that person 'left Jehovah'. They kick you out, but you're the one who left. For example, if I told an elder that I will not teach an opinion or falsehood from the watchtower leadership as 'truth' and do not 'repent' I have 'left Jehovah' because they proceded to labeled me and excommunicated me.

What's worse, the members are conditioned to think they are making Jehovah happy by acting as enforcers for the leadership, 'take your stand against the Devil'.

Who's Spirit is really at work here?

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Why do the Jehovah's Witnesses agree with certain beliefs and not others especially coming from someone they quote most often?

by I_love_Jeff in

of course i am talking about tertullian.

i presented this topic to jehovah's witnesses one time and they were not able to clearly explain why.

tertullian held certain beliefs contrary to the jws but there are some things the jws do agree with and often quote them in their articles.

wokeup

This hypocritical practice is one of the main points I brought out to the elders many years ago when I stepped aside.

Quoting from theologians and secular sources to support and give weight to watchtower arguements was wrong

if the sources are concurrently taught as being wordly or under satanic inspiration. This fact is undeniable. (and remains so).

I told them I could not in good conscience teach anymore as long as this was practiced.

I felt this was the safest explanation since it did not call into question doctrinal teachings

specifically. My request to step aside was granted. A special needs talk followed shortly after about questioning Jehovahs

'appointed channel' and 'independant thinking'. Imagine that.

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Have You Ever Seen Or Met Anyone Famous?

by minimus in

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i'm not talking about any gb members, either!.

wokeup

I went to San Jose City College and the was this guy named Bruce who would run alot at the track. I was surprised to see him in the '76 Olympics, the dude won the Decathlon. Come to find out his apartment was around the corner from mine overlooking the track.

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Have You Ever Seen Or Met Anyone Famous?

by minimus in

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i'm not talking about any gb members, either!.

wokeup

In 1977 I took care of an old guy who broke his leg in San Jose in a car accident. He told me his son 'walked on the moon' over and over. I thought he was a bit delirious. He wasn't. His son came to see him and yep, sure enough I met the Apollo 15 astronaut. James Irwin.

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STOP MAKING CRAP UP!

by Sheep2slaughter in

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i had to start this thread in light of today's watchtower study.

in paragraph 14,15 they mention the grounds for separation.

no scriptures are sighted but i am well aware of the support they usually use.. i am so sick of the watchtower making crap up!

wokeup

Regarding paragraph 14, who defines what 'extreme' physical abuse is? 3 punches, 10? 1 kick to the groin or 4? How about paragraph 15? Who's responsible for your 'absolute' spiritual endangerment? Who gets to define 'extreme' or 'absolute' who quantifies these prerequisites? Who left out the 'supportive' scriptural references to these words of wisdom?

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Bullet list of major (recent) changes

by RN in

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it is with great interest that i recently read ceders article on the decline of the wts.

his article along with many of the comments really drives home just how many major changes there have been in a fairly short peroid of time.. somewhere in the recent past i could swear that someone had posted a bullet list of major changes with the corresponding year.

when i saw this (or something like it) my first thought was that this simple list made it all the more shocking; and since i have searched and cannot find anything like it.. so i dug around and started one of my own, please feel free to add/corrects events.

wokeup

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Will Jehovah himself kill me, or will Jesus, Satan, or someone else?

by InterestedOne in

i've heard people here say jw's believe that jehovah will slaughter non-members of the jw religion when armageddon comes any day now.

does the watchtower teach that jehovah himself will do the killing, or is it delegated to someone else like jesus, satan, angels, or humans killing each other?

who is the actual killer in the picture?

wokeup

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Yesterday's WT

by tornapart in

anyone who's still 'in' and went yesterday, how did it make you feel?.

before i went i read the passage of scripture from romans 7 and 8 in a couple of other translations bsides nwt.

beautiful and uplifting, how the spirit guides us and helps us overcome our imperfect nature.

wokeup

The Watchtower leaders are so full of themselves denying the very Gift they themselves percieve to possess. It is by no accident

they bounced around the 8th chapter of Romans. The arguement is weakened and even distorted that Paul was making.

Their intentional ommitance of verses 9,10 speaks volumes. It would have reminded the adherents that they do not have Gods/Christ Spirit which is life and they are still dead in their trespasses.

Their doctrine leads the reader to think that somehow the GB had faith good enough to be chosen and ruling over God's earthly representation of his kingdom and their faith has them 'justified' in his sight. Everyone else just didn't cut the mustard or were born too late.

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what do jws have to say when getting baptised ? do they dedicate to god and jesus or the watchtower ?

by looloo in

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