This is beautiful:
EDIT: And LOL, another good one. Geez, thx for introducing me to this strip, this guy has quite a sense of humor:
Edited by - Xander on 22 January 2003 17:37:21
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103France & Germany Take the Same Stance
by MrMoe inhttp://www.cnn.com/2003/world/meast/01/22/sproject.irq.schroeder.chirac/index.html
france, germany stand firm on iraq.
wednesday, january 22, 2003 posted: 12:20 pm est (1720 gmt).
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France & Germany Take the Same Stance
by MrMoe inhttp://www.cnn.com/2003/world/meast/01/22/sproject.irq.schroeder.chirac/index.html
france, germany stand firm on iraq.
wednesday, january 22, 2003 posted: 12:20 pm est (1720 gmt).
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Xander
Actually, that would be the UN.
And, as a whole, I don't object to their 'rules', indeed, I fully support them.
What I DO object to is the obvious hypocrisy the US is showing. What are the reasons to go to war with Iraq that are being proposed?
1) He broke 'the rules' (given, but please name ONE rule he has broken that has never, EVER been broken by the US or its allies?)
2) He has WMD (well, damn, so do we. And France. And Brittain. And China. And India. And....)
3) He has supported terrorism. (Really? When? The US has supported terrorism. Israel has. Afghanistan has. Iran has. Saudi Arabia really, REALLY has - indeed, is the current center for most of it. But what terrorism against the US has been associated with Iraq?)
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France & Germany Take the Same Stance
by MrMoe inhttp://www.cnn.com/2003/world/meast/01/22/sproject.irq.schroeder.chirac/index.html
france, germany stand firm on iraq.
wednesday, january 22, 2003 posted: 12:20 pm est (1720 gmt).
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Xander
But Xander -- there are RULES
True.
Share with me please what rule you think Saddam has violated that has never, ever been violated by any country friendly to the US or the US ourselves?
Again, I am NOT a pacifist.
The war against Hitler WAS JUST.
The war on Bin Laden WAS JUST.
This IS NOT.
Edited by - Xander on 22 January 2003 17:8:49
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France & Germany Take the Same Stance
by MrMoe inhttp://www.cnn.com/2003/world/meast/01/22/sproject.irq.schroeder.chirac/index.html
france, germany stand firm on iraq.
wednesday, january 22, 2003 posted: 12:20 pm est (1720 gmt).
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Xander
No, it's like Sept 11th had NOTHING TO DO WITH SADDAM.
That was BIN LADEN.
Spell it please.
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Note, that does NOT spell Saddam!
What IS interesting is, if you want to know who DID help Bin Laden, look no farther than SAUDI ARABIA. Iraq and Bin Laden are NOT ON FRIENDLY TERMS. Citizens of Saudi Arabia, however, ARE ON FRIENDLY TERMS with Bin Laden.
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France & Germany Take the Same Stance
by MrMoe inhttp://www.cnn.com/2003/world/meast/01/22/sproject.irq.schroeder.chirac/index.html
france, germany stand firm on iraq.
wednesday, january 22, 2003 posted: 12:20 pm est (1720 gmt).
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Xander
Yes, but as noted many times, why does the World Trade Center attack mean we get a carta blanche to attack anyone anywhere we want regardless of if they are a threat to us or not?
I'm not much of a pacifist, and I was completely behind the Afghan campaign to route out Bin Laden (who, apparently, is still alive and kicking). That was right. We were attacked, it was our right to defend ourselves. Bin Laden was a crazy wildcard with delusions of grandeur brought on by religious extremism and ethnic hatred.
Saddam may be cruel (well, okay, IS cruel), but is none of those other things. He doesn't HATE the US and desire our destruction. He has demonstrated he is willing to fight a way in his region to gain more local control, but that's it. Where were the terrorist attacks on the US during the last Gulf War? Where were the uses of the WMD -HE DID HAVE AT THE TIME- against the US mainland?
He's had the opportunity and motive in the past to attack us in that manner - IF THAT WAS TO HIS ADVANTAGE - but, he didn't. Why not? Because he fights war in a 'civilized' manner (at least as civilized as the rest of the world fights wars, anyhow).
Saddam IS NOT Bin Laden. Saddam is NOT LIKE Bin Laden.
They are two different people (who don't get along), representing two different countries (who don't get along), representing two different idealogies (in opposition to each other!)
Not everyone who has even opposed the US at any time in the past is in collusion with each other.
Edited by - Xander on 22 January 2003 17:4:20
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France & Germany Take the Same Stance
by MrMoe inhttp://www.cnn.com/2003/world/meast/01/22/sproject.irq.schroeder.chirac/index.html
france, germany stand firm on iraq.
wednesday, january 22, 2003 posted: 12:20 pm est (1720 gmt).
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Xander
since the US was attacked on 911, we have the right to defend ourselves wherever we think terrorism grows
Really? And, if Bush decides that the French vetoing a US war, say, is an example of terrorism, are you willing to support a war against France?
After all, if we were attacked ONCE by SOMEONE, it gives us carte blanche to attack anyone anywhere else we want, right?
Edited by - Xander on 22 January 2003 16:49:46
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France is a "Pain in the Ass"
by JH ini changed my topic to this:.
why does france always go against britain and us policies?
should we still consider france as an ally?
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Xander
who the heck says Saddam WON'T ATTACK US
This is a good point.
Who is to say FRANCE won't attack us? MY GOD, they have NUKES! And they're FRENCH!!! Quick, bomb them!!
And CHINA?!?! GODS ABOVE THEY ARE EVEN A DIFFERENT RELIGION!!! AND a dictatorship!! With NUKES!!! Quick, bomb them, too!!!
After all, nobody has the right to nukes but us! We're the only ones who use them responsibly!! (Really...everyone else just sits on them...I mean, c'MON, what are they there for if not to be used? We've really set the example there! - and no, I agree, they needed to be used then, I'm just being intentionally obnoxious with this last comment)
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France is a "Pain in the Ass"
by JH ini changed my topic to this:.
why does france always go against britain and us policies?
should we still consider france as an ally?
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Xander
He is all buddy buddy with Osama, remember him
Really?
You have proof of that?
Cause, you know, no one else at all does. I'm SURE the CIA would pay quite a bit for it, so if you have it, might be a way to turn a quick profit.....
(In any case, even if true, since when is consorting with terrorists - even being 'good buddies' with them - a reason to treat someone as Satan himself? Remember, the US was 'good buddies' with Bin Laden. Indeed, we funded his terrorism campaign against the Soviet Union. But, terrorism when funded by US and used against ANOTHER nation is okay, right? After all, we are certainly in the "US and friends" club. But, no matter, there isn't any reason to think that Iraq and Bin Laden worked together at all - they are actually different branches of Islam and I'm sure Bin Laden loves Iraq just as much as us).
Edited by - Xander on 22 January 2003 16:43:25
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France & Germany Take the Same Stance
by MrMoe inhttp://www.cnn.com/2003/world/meast/01/22/sproject.irq.schroeder.chirac/index.html
france, germany stand firm on iraq.
wednesday, january 22, 2003 posted: 12:20 pm est (1720 gmt).
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Xander
Rules are rules. You break them, you pay the penalty. Period
Yes, but who sets the rules? Yes, Iraq may have broken UN resolutions levelled against Iraq. But, why does Iraq have UN resolutions levelled against them? Oh, that's right, they invaded a neighboring country. The "US and friends" club has certainly NEVER done that.
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France is a "Pain in the Ass"
by JH ini changed my topic to this:.
why does france always go against britain and us policies?
should we still consider france as an ally?
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Xander
How long has the US had nuclear weapons? Russia? France? CHINA?
We managed to control ourselves just fine. Saddam has shown he wants more control over his region of the world, and wants the US out. Why should that be a threat to us?
We COULD treat his country like any other world power, like every other country has a right to. But, not Iraq? Why? Because the 'civilized world' is a closed "US and friends only" club?
What would you say?
Iraq isn't 'like' other countries? They are barbarians? Why? Because they have different beliefs? *cough*Saudi Arabia*cough* They oppress their native population? *cough*American Indians*cough* They are a dictatorship? *cough*China*cough*
Why are they 'evil', when the actions you use to define them as 'evil' are done by every other nation on the planet? But, it's okay for the "US and friends" club to do those things, just not Iraq....