Posts by Xander

but i try and imagine this guy facing the loss of it all, his own country and life included, why wouldn't he make the biggest mess he can before departure?

Xander

Saddam is a despotic piece of shit

But, the point is, so is EVERY OTHER FRIGGIN DICTATOR IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

If they see us going around bitchslapping their neighbors into the ground on a whim, they will become hostile to us - WHICH WE DON'T WANT.

In order to keep peace while we invade on of their peers, the US has trumped up this argument about Saddam's NBC weapons and how they are a threat to all his neighbor countries.

If we get all the way to Baghdad, set up shop, and don't make any move to leave without FINDING any NBC weapons, can't you see the problem this will cause in the region?

the u.s. will actually plant wmd in iraq, and then "find" them

Which, of course, is why it would be better for him to USE them, but have them used ineffictively. That way, there is incontrovertible proof that he has them and would have used them on his neighbor nations eventually.

Suddenly, the rest of the region goes from hostile-suspicious of US actions to more or less amicable.

Course, I forgot, most of the posters in this thread already have a 'screw the rest of the world, we'll just invade them if they give us trouble' attitude anyway, so the point is mostly moot.

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What do they call stuff like this

by JT in

jw
friends

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Xander

'blank'

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I cried like a baby today...

by reallylost in

yeah...26 years old, 210lbs, strong, smart, thought i had it all figured out...and crying like a baby...omg...i'm falling apart at the seams..... .

ok, here's why: i met the girl of my dreams.

absolutely gorgeous, smart, witty, no kids (not that i don't like kids, it's just that i won't be a "just-add-dad" again), succesfull...anyway, we met through my cousin at a bar (he's thinking about buying it and invited some people to go with him for like a second opinion, and his wife invited this girl).

Xander

(okay, okay, so I think I'm breaking like....oh....3 or 4 of the posting guidelines....but, it's FUNNY - and appropriate!)

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Bush just wants the oil!!!

by dubla in

i posted this on another thread, but i thought a new thread might help get the ball rolling: .

i have a simple question for all those that believe this war is solely about oil: .

what exactly do you believe bush is going to do with the oil fields after the war?.

Xander

Sure, email, and I stand by that statement.

If the US flies the troops home the day (or, hell, the week) after Saddam is no longer in power, leaves no military presence behind other than what the UN requests, leave control of the Iraqi oil fields, other resource, and nation to the Iraqi people (or the UN for the time being) and the UN completely controls the disarmament of Iraq (as called for in the resolution), the rebuilding of Iraq, and the aiding of the Iraqi people, I'd happily agree I was wrong about the whole thing.

basically, will your stance be provable at some point?

It shouldn't be TOO hard to tell, although a brief search on the net already is showing the potential difficulty. The easy answer is: "Who owns and operates the oil fields now?" and "Who owns and operates the oil fields after the war?"

I suspect this may be a library-researched answer rather than the 'net.

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Strong Circumstantial Evidence My Foot!

by Englishman in

jw
friends

just noticed this in the "pay attention book".

it's about what sort of evidence a jc can accept:.

there must be two or three eyewitnesses, not just persons .

Xander

LOL - you'd think, given HIS situation alone, he would be able to see the hypocrasy.

I mean, surely, he can't think that GOD HIMSELF believes that fornication only occurs at night? Yet, his representatives on earth DO?

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What TV station were you watching when the first plane struck?

by Pleasuredome in

this picture was famously portrayed in the media as 'the moment bush knew', as the media around the world told us, from white house statements, that bush heard of the twin tower attacks when his chief of staff, andrew card, spoke in his ear in the classroom as he addressed the children.. on december 4th 2001, cnn were broadcasting live coverage of a "town meeting" at the orange county convention center in orlando, florida, where president bush was answering non-challenging questions from a sycophantic audience.

then bush made a startling statement about september 11th: -.

the president: thank you, jordan.

Xander

We were just 'coming out' of the org at the time, and my wife still have a little armegeddon-itis. She was having a brunch with her very-much-IN mother. I was asleep, and she woke me up from her mom's cell phone - she was nearly hysterical "Turn on the TV, This is it, this is going to be armegeddon, it's just like they said, etc, etc". I managed to calm her down some, drove to work, and we (at the office) pretty much stayed glued to the TV all day, waiting for more attacks.

It's weird, but at the time, I kept thinking that this really wasn't all that bad. I mean, huge loss of life, yeah, but a meaningless attack. The Pentagon hit worried me more at the time - it meant the capitol was under attack, but even then, the damage was not severe, and no other buildings were successfully attacked. You'd think, with this supposedly well-funded, global, network of terrorism feeding on religious hysteria, helldent on destroying the US, they could have managed better than 3 'hits'.

Not to trivialize it, but in perspective, there have been many, many greater disasters in human history. Hell, even a 'mere' industrial accident at Bhopal resulted in more deaths.

It's one of those things, you must argue with those suffering armegeddon-itis. People always die. Sometimes a lot of people die at a time due to accidents, wars, famine, disasters, etc. Governments or countries may react to retaliate, help, repair, etc.

It's just an endless cycle. People die, people are born. Entire civilizations come and go with the winds of time. The world isn't ending, this isn't even some kind of 'turning point' in human history like the media would have. Just another page in the history of the world.

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Bush just wants the oil!!!

by dubla in

i posted this on another thread, but i thought a new thread might help get the ball rolling: .

i have a simple question for all those that believe this war is solely about oil: .

what exactly do you believe bush is going to do with the oil fields after the war?.

Xander

I should add, if the US DID do that - fly the troops home after deposing Saddam - and letting the UN take over....well...I'd have to seriously re-evaluate my position on the current administration.

I....errr...don't think that's very likely.