Posts by Xandit

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PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

by Focus in

w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

-u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

Xandit

Friend it is pointless to try to talk in a reasoned manner with the brain dead and dishonest, a deadly combination. They talk about Witnesses being mind-numbed robots!

Always interesting to read your stuff. Haven't seen you around much lately.

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PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

by Focus in

w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

-u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

I know of a number of elders that have been removed for bad advise, or acting outside policy in matters similar to the discussion here. In fact one whole body in my area was removed, essentially for 'lording it over' the flock and having two sets of standards, one for their families and one for everyone else. So it does happen, just not often enough.

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PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

by Focus in

w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

-u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

Xandit

Wow, you found two cases out of a few billion. That's what I call representative and certainly something that would be addressed in a QFR.

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PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

by Focus in

w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

-u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

Xandit

Friend, so nice to see you here. A breath of normalcy.

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PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

by Focus in

w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

-u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

Xandit

People are sued in CIVIL cases. Civil prosecutions of criminal matters are so rare they don't even appear on the radar scope. Certainly it is not talking about reporting crimes or even accusations of crimes. This whole argument is errant nonsense. Your extrapolation concerning "the good name of the congregation" has nothing to do with criminal matters, and it is 'your' extropolation.

You must have a real talent for suffering idiots otherwise you could never look in a mirror. You're just a loud mouthed fool who unfortunately has been gifted with the opportunity to spread his ignorance before a larger audience.

I realize that talking to you is a waste of breath so I won't waste any more of my time or breath. You can go back under your rock and commune with yourself about how wonderful you are.

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"An open mind" definition

by MacHislopp in

jw
friends

for all those who are interested.

you can serch in your library or cd-r. and enjoy the definition of an "open mind".. .

...applications starts in the editor's house.

Xandit

You don't have to sign for it. They just hand it to you right over the counter like they always have. Yeesh, where do people get this stuff.

Impressive Faith

by Xandit in

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friends

chinese go underground to study bible .

washington (upi) - caves and tunnels have provided shelter and protection for the chinese and vietnamese in their successful wars to advance communism.

in yenan, in northern china, caves offered shelter for mao tse-tung and his guerrilla army in the 1940s.

Xandit

Chinese Go Underground to Study Bible

WASHINGTON (UPI) - Caves and tunnels have provided shelter and protection for the Chinese and Vietnamese in their successful wars to advance communism. In Yenan, in northern China, caves offered shelter for Mao Tse-tung and his guerrilla army in the 1940s. During the Vietnam War, an elaborate and sophisticated system of tunnels accommodated the Viet Cong infrastructure and included field hospitals, schools and command centers.

Now Chinese Christians are copying their nation's red rulers, the Rev.
Wolfgang Baake told United Press International after a visit to a
clandestine Bible college, somewhere in the Chinese countryside.
Baake is chairman of the German branch of Voice of the Martyrs, an
international association aiding persecuted Christians in communist and Muslim nations. Among its clientele is this school, which trains pastors for China's burgeoning illegal house churches.

The way Baake described his trip by telephone from Germany Thursday reminded a reporter of his circuitous travels to meetings with guerrilla commanders in Vietnam.

First there was a day-long train ride from Beijing. Then, in a provincial town a taxi was waiting to take him to a rendezvous point 30 miles away. A two-hour trek on foot through fields and forests followed. Eventually, Baake and his party boarded a small car that had been waiting for them. With dimmed headlights, it rumbled over unpaved roads to the camouflaged entrance of a pair of dank tubes burrowed into clay. "They were no longer than eight yards and no higher than two," Baake related. "They housed three instructors, two housekeepers and 37 students from all over China, 16 women and 21 men, aged 17 to 27."

The road to house church ministry is a short but extremely hard one.
"The students spend 10 months underground, then do a two-month internship in their home congregations, and return for another 10 months to the college.

Risking Torture and Death

"Then they are pastors, earning perhaps 20 dollars a month and risking
arrest, torture and even death," said Baake. "While at school, these young people never get out of their clothes. They work and sleep in them. It's cold and damp in those tunnels. There's no heating. Only body temperature provides a modicum of warmth." According to Baake, the young men and women sleep in separate dormitories alongside the main classroom. "They have roughly hewn bunk beds without mattresses because they would be soggy within seconds due to the high humidity.
"Neon tubes light the underground school. Over these tubes the students dry their towels. They wash at an outside well, but only after their own sentries have given an 'All clear,' " the German pastor reported. The electricity, he added, was "borrowed" from an overland line. It propels a washing machine that "seemed of pre-World War II vintage." The school's one luxury is a $10,000 gasoline-driven generator that kicks in when there is a power outage. It's a gift from the German Voice of the Martyrs branch, which also feeds students and faculty. The daily allowance is $1.50 a person.
But the college lacks a kitchen where the housekeepers, an elderly couple, could prepare the meals. Instead, they cook over a pit in the cave.

The college lacks a library, too. Baake said he only saw "the Bible and a couple of other books" in front of the students huddled together behind 18 tables. "The college is not equipped to teach theology," he related, "just Bible studies, exegesis and preaching."
Baake told UPI that the students were well aware of the distinct possibility of martyrdom. "The chance that this might happen has brought us together."

The California-based Voice of the Martyrs organization was founded by the Rev. Richard Wurmbrand, who himself was a victim of severe persecution. Wurmbrand, who died Feb. 17 at age 91, was a German-Romanian pastor of Jewish descent. First the Nazis persecuted and tortured him in World War II. Then he spent 14 years in jail under Romania's communist regime. Later, as a refugee in West Germany and the United States, he founded his ministry to support fellow martyrs around the world. Wurmbrand was a firm believer in St. Augustine's dictum that "the blood of the martyrs is the seed of our Christian faith." According to Baake, China proves this to be true

Edited by - Xandit on 2 March 2001 22:25:30

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PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

by Focus in

w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

-u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

Xandit

This is a gross misrepresentation of the facts and you know it. Anyone but a moron would know that this QFR relates to cases of a civil nature, you're not a moron and you know it, you're just dragging your coat to see what reaction you get. Another example of your continued mindless drivel. Why don't you go play in the street with your toys.

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