All time favorite: "Too Rolling Stoned" then "Day of the Eagle", "Little Bit of Sympathy" "Lady Love" "Twice Removed from Yesterday"
Love Robin Trower!!!!
How bout Tommy Bolin?
XW of the "product of the 70's" class
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Anyone used to listen to Robin Trower???
by pomegranate in.
i loved his groove...was just listening to "the fool and me".
most excellent.
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It's Time for...Your favorite.......
by SpannerintheWorks inscene in the airplane!
movie.
my favorite is when the bee gees music starts and they start dancing to "saying alive".
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"Surely you don't mean that" "Why yes, I do, and quit calling me Shirley"
"He's in the hospital? What is it?" "It's a big building with lots of beds, but that's not important right now"
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My kid, ten years cancer free.
by BeautifulGarbage intoday my daughter is ten years cancer free.
of course, much of that is owed to the tranfusions of blood products.
products that i did not hesitate to have given to her.. with so much going on in my life (recent death in the family), this board, and just the general rush of life, this very important day nearly got by me.
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Okay Bears Fans- Are you ready for some FOOTBALL??
by xenawarrior inmonday nite football- michaels and madden, packers and bears woohoooo!!!
don't forget the beer and chips- and cheese!!
at stake?
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(((((((((((Heaven)))))))))))))
Thank you. Yes, we are going to have fun!!!!! Can't wait!
XW
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Would you all just stop and take a deep breath?
by PurpleV inat the risk of being flamed, i'm sure i will, being new and all, but do you all realize what all this argumentation back and forth between ray is right and bill is right, etc., is doing?.
hq lurks here!
they're laughing at us in bethel!
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I'm with you on this one too eye!!!! But for me it would be like talking to my own mother like that! And I'd be kicking ass! And my mother spends only winters in Florida. So does that make her only 1/3 senile or any of the other insulting things you have thrown out here?
IW, you have some valid points. They are not present in this thread. And it would appear that you are more hell-bent on slinging mud than openly discussing facts or points of view. It doesn't bode well if you want anyone to actually listen to you. Your relevant points are lost in the venom you choose to spew.
I've been in chat with Grace on several occasions. What I can say is that she's got you beat by name alone! And to add to it, she's got alot of class- something you have shown a real lack of today.
XW
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Is Ray Franz Great or What?
by silentlambs inthis evening i had a nice conversation with ray and we discussed our previous conversation.
while our previous conversation was remembered differently in certain areas we agreed that we should be peaceful with one another, i apologized for any misunderstanding and decided as a result to remove any negative comments made about him.
i do believe our discussion was productive and will help us both to be more supportive of one another in the future.
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Ray Franz Key Witness?!
by qwerty inthis may have been a topic before on the board.
it would be suprising if anyone else as not thought of this.. with regards to the 5 governing body members who have been named as child abusers.
would ray franz be able to confirm these aligations?
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Is Ray a bad person? I never said that, as the issue of what decision a person chooses to make is often a personal matter.
I think you did Bill:
Ray Franz supports the WT policy on child abuse.
You talk about how abhorrent the WT policy on child abuse is- so what does that make someone who would actually support such a policy? The same. And you stated that Mr. Franz does support the WT policy on child abuse so you have attached him to all of that by association. And falsely at that.
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In my opinion he is covering up for something he does not wish to reveal
And what do we tend to believe about those with something to hide? Something they are covering up? Not good people, no? You attached him to this as well, by your own opinion.
Words mean something. You may not have come right out and said "he's a bad person" but it is certainly inferred in your others words by what we believe those things to mean.
Silentlambs is certainly not against Ray Franz we don't care if he wants to support JW abuse survivors or not.
From what I read, it would appear that you do care- ALOT what Mr. Franz want to support and what he chooses not to.
I really wish you could read your own writing Bill and see the contradiction in your own words.
And I'd still like to see some answers to the questions asked of you by Valis and Reborn. Valid questions Bill.
XW
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What an eccentric performance
by kenpodragon inone of my favorite movies of all time is "monty python and the holy grail.
" i enjoy this movie for many reasons, but most of all for it's satire on society.
one of my favorite scenes, and i should warn you that i know them all, is when king arthur walks up to peasants in the field and tries to explain that he is king of the britons.
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"I'm not quite dead yet, I'm feeling much better now"
"Bring me a shrubbery"
Monty Python Rocks!!
XW- of the "I Don't Like Spam" Class
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Ray Franz Key Witness?!
by qwerty inthis may have been a topic before on the board.
it would be suprising if anyone else as not thought of this.. with regards to the 5 governing body members who have been named as child abusers.
would ray franz be able to confirm these aligations?
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Ray Franz Key Witness?!
by qwerty inthis may have been a topic before on the board.
it would be suprising if anyone else as not thought of this.. with regards to the 5 governing body members who have been named as child abusers.
would ray franz be able to confirm these aligations?
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WOW
I don't usually get involved in the debate of this whole thing but feel a need to speak up here.
Ray Franz supports the WT policy on child abuse.
This is a very powerful statement Bill and something you couldn't possibly know unless he actually came right out and said it. I highly doubt that is the case. Your statement, IMHO, also borders on slander. What is the purpose in stating this? Do you feel that you will somehow ferret this man out to speak to what YOU have said?
In my opinion he is covering up for something he does not wish to reveal.
Key words- in YOUR opinion. That's all it is Bill- your opinion. Again, planting a seed in others' mind that he "might" have something to hide based on nothing but pure conjecture on your part.
He wrote a book that was dynamic in what it reveals, but his silence regarding abuse causes me to question his ability to stand for what is morally and ethically right.
So be it. If you wish to question anything about Mr. Franz based on whatever you wish; including something as innocuous as silence- go right ahead. But don't push that on anyone else as though it were fact. You are in the public eye Bill. You are a leader. And being a leader carries with it a great deal of responsibility for the words you speak and their impact on others. And if you don't want that responsibility or cannot carry it, trying to get around it will only hurt you and your cause. You lose a great deal of confidence with statements such as you have made about Mr. Franz. IMHO, it is irresponsible to add voice to your own well earned credibility to plant seeds of doubt about the credibility or the character of another with no facts to back it up.
OK all you arm chair warriors call him and ask. You want facts but you are too lazy to get them yourselves.
You're kidding right? Why would I do that? You are telling us that we are "lazy" if we don't call Ray Franz and ask him to answer your allegations? Things YOU think or feelings YOU have about how his behavior might translate to you? Wow. And I'm not real sure I like being called lazy in the first place. It's really not nice at all.
I do not ask Ray to do anything but use his mouth to acknowledge and support abuse survivors, he flatly refuses to do so.
And because he flatly refuses to do so- it means that he isn't a friend of silentlambs or supports WTS abuse policies? Sounds like too much black and white thinking to me. Why would he want to work with you? Look what happens if one behaves in a way which might cause you to make nasty determinations about them. Sounds like you want folks to be "for" you and your cause, in a manner you approve of and if they aren't, they are "against" you.
If an individual is working in their own way towards this cause but do not need any attention for it or even acknowledgement- that doesn't make their efforts invisible or non-existant. You have no way of knowing what Mr. Franz feels about any of this or what he or anyone else may be doing on their own for this very worthy cause.
I'm with Moe- take a vacation. It sounds to me that you are angry that he has chosen, for whatever reason, not to join the cause in the fashion you want him to. I, for one have lost a great deal of respect for this movement due to the kvetchings of late.
XW
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