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  Pyramid Schemes

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  several years ago, i was introduced to a "wonderful" company called fortune hi tech marketing by a brother and his wife.

  they had been introduced by a former sheriff who claims he had researched the company and found no leins or judgments, and that former sheriff had been brought in by a pastor.

  you can read what happened with fhtm on wikipedia if you so desire.. this whole new idea of multilevel marketing had my brain reeling, though, and soon enough, i actually signed up with none other than prepaid legal.

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  Always fun to hear a pro MLMer sound off on one of these threads.

  ACN

  Just got hit up to buy electricity from an ACN MLMer two weeks ago. Her sales strategy was the classic dishonest MLMer style. She asked to see one of my bills, said she could save me money, she gave me a quote. It was for a three year contract with a $350.00 early termination fee. I was "month to month" with my provider at the time. I looked on my provider's website and signed up for a one year contract that was 20 percent cheaper than what she offered. Did she lie? No. Was she being selfishly dishonest knowing full well that she wasn't comparing oranges to oranges? Hell yes.

  MLM products and services, an uneducated consumer is their best customer.

  But mostly I do hate the culty culture and tactics that perhaps all MLMs use in recruiting victims. "It looks like a church because we are dealing with groups of people." LOL and ROFL Someone needs some better apologetics for their business cult.
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  What Were Your Elders Real World Jobs?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we all know that education is severely demonized in this religion.

  and that the elders are appointed based on how many meetings they attend, hours they put in on the ministry and general attitude to other elders (as apposed to, you know, actual theological training and counseling) - so my question is, what were your elders occupations outside the kingdom hall?.

  in my old congregation our elders consisted of:.

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  OneGenTwoGroups

  I've served on bodies of elders which had multi-millionaires on them, more than once. Not all of them are janitors.
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  Jesus, the Great Convincer?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  supposedly the disciples witnessed jesus' super-power awesomeness first-hand.. so they were all 100% on-board to-the-death martyrs ... right?.

  erm .... judas betrayed him.

  thomas didn't believe he'd come back.

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  We should be venerating not only the cross but the people that hung him on it.
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  Some recent baptism figures in the UK - is there a "bounce back"?

  by freddo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, round my way (south of the uk) all the way up to and including the regional conventions this summer, baptism numbers have been extremely low.

  but i have just received news of three recent circuit assembly days where the figures seem to be higher.

  (all have been across the last three weekends at a uk assembly hall in october).

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  OneGenTwoGroups

  I was baptized at a convention with 35,000 attending and 700 baptized, in 1984. Those days are long gone.
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  Memorial Attendances This Year

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  have attendance figures at this year's memorial been released yet, including number of partakers?

  sometimes the kingdom ministry (now called christian life and ministry) provided local figures say for the country.. for two to three years the worldwide figure has hovered around the 19 plus million, with a drop off in attendance last year.. just wondered if there has been any change this year or if the downward trend has continued?

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  Numbers the GB no longer wish to see:

  1. Number of partakers

  2. Number of memorial attendees

  3. Number of years between 1914 and now
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  Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, why do so many ex JW's deny this?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses accept jesus as christ, the son of god.

  they try, in their own way, to live by his teachings and imitate him.

  they pray, read the bible and meet together regularly for worship.. i won't minimise any of the harm and damage they cause but for the life of me, i can't see how anyone can credibly deny that they are christians.. why do so many former jws have a problem with this?

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  The ideology of progressive Christians, the ones that accept women in leadership roles and accept homosexuality is less evil than the ideology of fundamentalist Christians.

  The label Christian is just that, a label, the definition of which changes with ideology.

  Whatever flavor of supernatural belief you accept, it's on you to own the baggage that comes with it.
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  I don't think I will be able to escape the JWs ...

  by nevaagain in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know i will get a lot of backslash on this forum for saying this, but as it looks like, i won't ever be able to escape the jws.

  i have been a born in, third generation jw and awoken in one way or another (i joined this forum 15 years ago) for a very long time.

  but i have adapted to the jw lifestyle to a point where it does not bother me anymore.

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  My conscience bothers me like I'm endorsing (by still attending) an organization that is at least as evil as NAMBLA.

  Shouldn't you feel the same?
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  Anybody else having trouble walking away?

  by JW-Matrix in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok...so i'm a 19 year old fifth generation jw.

  mentality, i've been out of the "truth" since i was 16(woke up after i was baptized ironically), but on the outside i'm a model jw.

  my parents are really devoted, my grandparents are super devoted, and so are my ants and uncles.

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  OneGenTwoGroups

  Year number six of non-belief starts for me in about 4 weeks. I still make most meetings and even make a showing in FS about once per month.

  So, yes, due to circumstances, I can relate.
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  Selloff Hinted At Assembly

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the last talk at the assembly made an interesting statement, "we can show faith by following direction if we're asked to move to another kingdom hall for better use of dedicated christian funds".

  this statement has everyone talking.

  i spoke to multiple individuals and they heard the same thing at different assembly's.. i know they have been "evaluating" all kingdom halls the last year or two.

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  I've been to several KH dedication meetings. I'm not sure what a FUND dedication looks like.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, why do so many ex JW's deny this?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses accept jesus as christ, the son of god.

  they try, in their own way, to live by his teachings and imitate him.

  they pray, read the bible and meet together regularly for worship.. i won't minimise any of the harm and damage they cause but for the life of me, i can't see how anyone can credibly deny that they are christians.. why do so many former jws have a problem with this?

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  OneGenTwoGroups

  "JWs are not true Christians" says the person celebrating Jesus' birth with pagan rites.

  That was my go to when I was a believer. Now that I'm an atheist I still feel the same about the issue.