if the ransom was paid at the time of jesus' death (mark 15:45, matthew 20:28, 1 timothy 2:6, hebrews 2:9), then why weren't the effects of adamic sin (sickness & death) reversed at that time?.
it seems to me that either:- the payment of the ransom was premature.
- god was not satisfied with the payment of the ransom; it was not sufficient to make up for adam's & eve's so-called "sin".hasn't god extracted enough from mankind as payment for adam's & eve's "sin" given the billions of persons who have lived and died?.
Ask a nominal Christian what happened to faithful servants of God before Jesus died and they herp, then they derp.
Then you find out that many of them believe in some sort of limbo that they NEVER talk about. It's kind of like asking a JW about two overlapping groups and 1914.
To the objective observer, Jesus' appearance in the first century changed the world as much as his "invisible return" in 1914. No change, nada. Just a few more cars added to the baseless assertion train.
i registered in the board and i wanted to present myself.. i used to visit this forum some time ago and even register an account but then i tried to convince myself all was ok in the congregation.
now, i'm coming back :).
i live in a southern european nation, i'm a young jw, a good example in the congregation serving as a regular pioneer and ms. for all in the congregation i'm the good guy, one of the best examples in the area i live.
I can't even describe what I felt when I woke up 5 years ago. I was a pioneer/elder at the time. I started feeling that non-JWs were human not just zombies that needed to learn "the truth".
Another big one for me was discovering and then learning to use the words "baseless assertion" in describing the ideas found in the Watchtower publications.
Currently there are circuits in your brain that are changing, both intellectually and emotionally. It is a joyous and yet painful ride.
Don't make any sudden moves, take your time, plan things out. You are playing chess, not checkers. Make sure you have searched this site for posts on how to "'fade" and other exit strategies. The main thing is to not tell any elder about your doubts right now, and be careful of "weak" JWs, that will report you too.
i may have missed this, but can anyone tell me what was the pretext the gb concocted to justify their abandonment of a perfectly suitable, high-profile, high-visibility complex in what is arguably the world's greatest metropolis for the bucolic isolation of upstate new york.
any how does the move square with their purported belief in the imminence of armageddon?
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1. High maintenance costs for mid-rises in Brooklyn
2. A fine tuned, state of the art Bethel campus in the woods is much nicer for the day to day lives of the GB and Bethel heavies.
3. The amenities that NYC offers wasn't of much value to the GB. Broadway is full of those homosexualites and such like things.
so, it finally happened.
the first time i have been called out for being an apostate.
it started out innocently enough: my family and i were watching a tv show.
The generation thing is your trump card, kudos for saving that until last. That hurts the most.
despite my often smart-ass exterior, i really don't have any desire to see the r&f dubs suffering.
i really do worry about the mental and emotional turmoil that they will experience, if and when the wtbts is truly exposed as a scam.
i know it seems unlikely to happen, but you never know..... anyway, the wt for the week was cringe-worthy to say the least.
Sorry Bible, the sun's gravity isn't nothing.
You would think the guy who created gravity would talk about it.
there are many on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists; that he is not a real being.
but, he is as real as next breath you draw into your nostrils.. some of you say that there is no evidence that he exists.
yet, none of you can prove that he does not exits.. cofty, (you come to mind), i appreciate that you have stated, without reservation, that you do not believe that god exists.. yet, you cannot prove it.. hope in jehovah..
I go to all the meetings, go out in field service, and am in my 6th year of being an atheist.
I have conducted Bible studies and considered baptismal questions with unbaptized publishers as an atheist.
A rough estimate is that I have prayed to Jehovah about 20,000 times in my life and still counting.
lasting memory of the latter period of time in the organisation:.
i had a route call with the magazines whom i'd called on for a number of years.
eventually when i become a parent i became consumed with negativity, doubt (blood issue) & depression.
Had a Bible Student tell me: "I just don't see a problem with birthdays."
To myself I said: "Me neither."
reports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.
this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.
what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.
One more thing:
The actual partaker count is much higher than what is reported. In our area of the world, we never count partakers that we don't know at the Memorial. I'm sure it's the same for most areas.
I've actually been in the back of an auditorium debating with other elders whether to count a baptized JW lady as a partaker because she was "inactive". We didn't put her in our report.
reports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.
this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.
what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.
How the holy spirit works according to Watchtower dogma:
witnesses always claim to have a "bible trained conscience" yet they are really just watchtower robots who cant piss without checking with an elder or watchtower.
an elder who cuts hair was scared when i asked for a bald buzz cut since my hair was receding and grey.
he actually rang a bethel elder to see if this was okay watchtower wise!
This thread should be bumped once per month. So damn true.
Doing sports officially with your school a conscience matter? NOPE, it's just a no-no
