dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
Jack2,
Yadirf, Membership in a labor union may not be a suitable analogy. Membership in a union is often required.
In my case it was NOT required. That's what makes it perfectly comparable to the WTS's membership as an NGO with the United Nations. Your entire argument is moot!
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Edited by - Yadirf on 26 November 2002 13:12:2
dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
Jack2,
I am a jw myself,
You're either a liar, a hypocrite, or both!
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Edited by - Yadirf on 26 November 2002 13:4:7
dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
emancipated,
I love to see someone try to support the WTS support of the UN.
Let's take a close look at this statement of yours, and see if it makes any sense at all. You accuse me of supporting the WTS's "support" of the UN, right? In other words, you presume that I actually agree that the WTS has indeed supported the UN. Obviously you can't read, emancipated. Are my posts/expressions really that far above your head?
If a JW renounces his neutrality by voting in a political referendum then so does the GB by signing a doc that they support the ideals of the UN.
No copy of a signed document has been produced that proves that the GB has done such a thing. I asked for such proof up above but have yet to see it. You merely make assumptions and speak of them as if they were facts.
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dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
Jack2,
More of your faulty reasoning:
One example that comes to mind is that when a person expresses interest in becoming a jw, they are asked to resign from membership in whatever church they may be on the membership rolls of. Why? In jw thinking, that listing of them as a member of a church constitutes support of that church. Thus, they are asked to resign.
Why of course such ones are urged to withdraw their membership from their previous religion. That's because they ACTUALLY WERE OF THAT RELIGION, prior to their wish to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses, and before they become a JW they really ought to make a clean break from false religion. And so it's nothing whatsoever like the twist that you're putting on it.
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Edited by - Yadirf on 26 November 2002 0:24:15
dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
Jack2,
In my mind, the WTS's UN NGO member status made them a de facto UN supporter.
I'm a living testimony to the fact that your line of reasoning is completely false. Although I didn't identify myself as being the "employee" in my example presented earlier, I was in fact the very employee being spoken about. Being a "member," I paid Union dues almost my entire career. However, that's where my "involvement" with the Union ended. For example, I never went to Union meetings, etc. No one could honestly accuse me of ever having been a Union "supporter". As a matter of fact not a few fellow employees demonstrated a dislike for me in various subtle ways because of my inactivity Union-wise. So, I'm here to tell you that you haven't the foggiest idea of what you're talking about with regards to what you said above. The "WTS's UN NGO member status" no more made them a UN supporter than my having been a Union member meant that I supported the Union. I know, because I've lived it ... and for over 30 years at that.
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dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
Little Lulu,
Because the G.B. involved themselves with the U.N. the rank and file have to be told as we also are involved. After all according to them they get their instructions from God and must inform us of God's wishes.I am not pleased with being a part of the UN for ten years. What else, is the question, that have have done and we have to wait for the media to tell us.
If you govern your own personal financial budget by using that same sort of nonsensical reasoning, Lulu, you will be pennyless in your old age. You are such a pouter.
Guess what, Lulu? The WTS never "involved themselves with the U.N.". I know that this comes as a great shock to you to hear that, but it is a fact. Just think, Lulu, the WTS was NEVER "involved" with the United Nations. Not really, that is. Get it? I doubt it!
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dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
Gerard,
Buddy, the World knows! Don't bother with my copies,
You haven't shown me anything yet that I haven't seen before (and possibly even before you yourself did). And besides, that's not what you were supposed to show me. The following quote is what you had said (to which I replied "First of all, [not] you nor anyone else can prove such a thing. Have you got copies? No you don't!"):
Take a look at the UN forms the GB signed, and the COMPROMISES they engaged to:CRITERIA FOR ASSOCIATION
WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC INFORMATION
They actually signed this contract....
- The NGO must support and respect the principles of the Charter of the United Nations; [etc.]
Now, have you got proof to back up your claim that such a list as you refer to above was precisely what the WTS representatives signed their names to? I seriously doubt it! And as I've already said, "even if they did sign such papers it means as little or as much as the signee wishes to make out of it. What really indicates whether or not there was true 'support' shown for the United Nations is how that political entity is actually viewed by the WTS, and there is little mystery about that because it is still explained to be part of the Devil's worldly political system."
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dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
Mum,
Do you justify your association with "apostates" by pointing out the WTS's association with "the whore of Babylon?"
I can't understand how it is that you equate my beating you over the head with "association". LOL!
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dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
Not that that wouldn't be a real treat, Farkel, but you know I've been thinking, as far as I know no one here has ever gotten a glimpse of what you look like in person. Even if you're really, really ugly (which somehow I doubt) I figure everyone here would cherish having you post a picture of yourself. They've seen me, and lived through it, so they ought to be able to survive the looks of a persona of your sort. So, how about a picture of you at the piano. O come on, just do it!
Hope you're doing well healthwise.
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Edited by - Yadirf on 25 November 2002 1:8:23
dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
Now, if I were preaching to stay out of worldly organizations like the YMCA, and then joined the UN as a security trooper, I would be a hypocrite at least.
You still refuse to get it, don't you? Listen carefully: The WTS didn't REALLY join the UN ... it was a stratagem (see definition below). If, on the other hand, the WTS had since proved to be an activist in support of the United Nations then THAT would be acting contrary to their very own teachings and therefore constitute hypocricy. But such a thing hasn't proven to be the case. You people here on this forum continue to grab at straws. There is no substance to your arguments.
stratagem
1. A military maneuver designed to deceive or surprise an enemy. 2. A clever, often underhand scheme for achieving an objective..
Edited by - Yadirf on 25 November 2002 0:42:45
