dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
Kaytee,
However you view the UN involvement, strategic or otherwise, it was a loss of faith, in Jehovah's eyes,
You make the claim but you don't back it up by showing how that's the case. It's the same as me calling you an idiot without providing my reason for it. Example: "You're simply an idiot, simply because I said you are!" BTW, can you save yourself from such a label fitting you?
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Edited by - Yadirf on 30 November 2002 14:44:8
some one may have posted about this already so forgive me if you are re-reading someone elses discovery.
i sent a letter to the society asking them about the un scandal, and they sent back the same old letter that everyone else had right?
nope.
Kril,
The UN NGO contracts have been pretty much the same for the past 40 years. So why say that their criteria was different in the past?
"Pretty much the same," you say. PRETTY MUCH THE SAME? And just how much difference is there between an original document as compared to a later one that is "pretty much the same"? ROFLMAO! You crack me up man, I mean REALLY!
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dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
Utopian_Raindrops,
......so, if "The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society" could join the United Nations as an NGO for a Library card....as spiritual warfare agianst Satan.....then all those poor Bros and Sisters in Malawi could have gotten party card and just not been active to defeat Satan and not let him kill them and break up thier familys! Or cause such pain and suffering for them and thier families...thier children who now have no parents and must go through life alone so young.
Your reasoning is flawed by reason of the fact that the issues you bring up are not as comparable as you would like to think that they are. The issue that those in Malawi faced was more comparable to what the 3 Hebrews faced when they were placed under compulsion to bow down to the golden image that Nebuchadnezzer had erected or else be thrown into the fiery furnace. Of course all they had to do was just "bow" and they could have spared themselves a lot of trouble, but they didn't bow. Similarly, those in Malawi were being coerced into breaking their neutrality with regards to politics. They too could have spared themselves a lot of trouble, but they elected to keep their integrity. Like the 3 Hebrews, they had principles to hold to and so they took a stand for those principles.
On the other hand, the WTS's becoming an NGO was in no way comparable to the Malawian situation. Instead, the WTS was in full control and had the upper hand. Unlike that situation in Malawi the WTS was not coerced into becoming a member, but merely became one for the sake of the good news of Christ's Kingdom.
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dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
UnDisfellowshipped,
What has happened is that all these exchanges between you and I have narrowed down to the question of whether or not "Theocratic Strategy/Warfare" can be properly used by a Christian. I, Yadirf, provided you with a Biblical example in which this very principle was put to use by God-fearing Ehud. It's surely obvious to all fair readers of this thread that your unwillingness to make an attempt at rebuttal is because there honestly is none that can be made. You have lost the battle on this front. All this just goes to show that when your allegations against the WTS are put to the test that there's no truth to such allegations.
One thing that has become plainly evident to me during our exchange is that you mirror the average member in Christendom. You make assertations, but you flee when it gets right down to the nitty-gritty of the issue being discussed. You spineless weasel!
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Edited by - Yadirf on 30 November 2002 12:43:33
Edited by - Yadirf on 30 November 2002 13:38:22
dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
UnDisfellowshipped,
So now you have chosen to go into *ignore* mode. Why? All I did was present you with this perplexing problem:
Like I said before, Yadirf is a Master of Theocratic Warfare.But I sincerely do want to Thank Yadirf for helping "Interested Ones" to see how Jehovah's Witnesses use "Theocratic Warfare".--UnDisfellowshipped.
You keep insisting that there is something ungodly about making use of the art of "Theocratic Warfare," and yet you claim to be a Christian that believes in the Bible. You leave little doubt as to how you would come down on God's servant Ehud for his telling King Eglon that he had a message for him from God, merely to set the King up so that Ehud could plant his dagger in Eglon's belly. (see Judges, 3rd chapter) Consistency would require that you think of Godly Ehud as a dishonest man, as one having "lied," would it not?--Yadirf.
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You can't deal with the truth, and that's why you didn't reply.
Yadirf
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dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
Like I said before, Yadirf is a Master of Theocratic Warfare.But I sincerely do want to Thank Yadirf for helping "Interested Ones" to see how Jehovah's Witnesses use "Theocratic Warfare".
You keep insisting that there is something ungodly about making use of the art of "Theocratic Warfare," and yet you claim to be a Christian that believes in the Bible. You leave little doubt as to how you would come down on God's servant Ehud for his telling King Eglon that he had a message for him from God, merely to set the King up so that Ehud could plant his dagger in Eglon's belly. (see Judges, 3rd chapter) Consistency would require that you think of Godly Ehud as a dishonest man, as one having "lied," would it not?
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dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
UnDisfellowshipped,
Also, please explain how "Speaking Out AGAINST the 1914 Doctrine" means you are "standing up for" the Watchtower?
Like I said earlier, UnDisfellowshipped, "Nothing said by anyone else makes any sense to you unless it fits in with your agenda."
This is what I had actually said. Compare it and weep:
I reject the 1914 doctrine and I've been outspoken about it here
Notice that I said nothing about "speaking out against the 1914 Doctrine". That's the twist YOU put on my words.
Also, please explain how saying the Watchtower LIED about "Library Card" means you are "standing up for" the Watchtower?
It was YOU, not I, that referred to the Watchtower as having lied. I have consistently maintained throughout this discussion that they made use of "strategy". Here's the proof in this instance:
So, let's say, even if there is nothing wrong with being an NGO, then why did the Watchtower LIE about the reason they became one? -- UnDisfellowshipped.For strategic reasons, reasons that you apostates have no business knowing about. Now ain't life frustrating! --Yadirf.
Notice: It was YOU that used the term "lie". And it's not that I agreed with the term that you used either. I'm content to let you to continue to think that way, since I've come to know your mind. I merely replied in keeping with YOUR unchangable mindset. Their excuse was strategically necessary, and that's all you need and have a right to know. I know that that's frustrating for an apostate like yourself to hear, but that's the path you chose to walk.
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Edited by - Yadirf on 29 November 2002 3:22:26
dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
UnDisfellowshipped,
I was asking for proof that the Watchtower DID NOT do anything else other than to register and become an NGO.
You were shown all the "proof" there is in existence, by means of that rinky-dink document I reposted ... you know, the one that contains the two signatures (Aulicino & Barry). That's as far as it all went, there's no proof beyond that document to show that they did "anything else other than to register and become an NGO." Man, you're a hopeless case if there ever was a case of hopelessness!
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dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
Yadirf said:The WTS on the other hand, as a NGO member, didn't do anything ... other than sign on the dotted lineHow in the world do you know that, Yadirf? Do you have proof?--UnDisfellowshipped
Will this suffice?
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Edited by - Yadirf on 28 November 2002 11:24:14
dear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
And, Yadirf is just as much of an Apostate as any of us, in the eyes of the Watchtower, because he said he has spoken out about their 1914 Doctrine, which is one of their main teachings, and anyone who speaks out against it will be Disfellowshipped.Also, Yadirf admitted that the Watchtower had lied about the "Library Card", so that would also be a Disfellowshipping Offense.
I just can't figure out why an "Apostate" like Yadirf would try to defend the Watchtower on some points, even though he knows they are teaching lies.
You have quite an imagination, UnDisfellowshipped. Plus, your mind is closed so tight that you see only what you want to see. For your information the WTS doesn't disfellowship those who stand up for it, dummy, it's opposers who get the boot.
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