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Properly Understanding Genesis 3:14

by Yadirf in

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it was satan that was cursed, not the snake!

if it was satan then that the "curse" of genesis 3:14 applied to rather than the serpent, then how is it that satan has had to live his life since that day as if having to go upon his belly and eat dust?

the answer is arrived at by first considering the lowly state of this somewhat pitiful creature called the "serpent".

Yadirf

Derek,

The *explanation* for what has been observed, as represented by the drawing that you've posted, is nothing more than an opinion/speculation, and most likely that of an evolutionist at that. Aren't you aware of the fact that many well-meaning *professionals* have had to reverse some things that they once thought were true? One example that can be cited, is that which Doctor's at one time considered to be the best way to treat some types of intestinal problems. It was once commonly held that fiber intake was BAD, and would merely complicate this type of problem. Then the day came when it was finally realized that the reverse was true, and that fiber, instead of being harmful, was a blessing.

In my opinion evolutionist's are nothing but DREAMERS! Those poor people haven't gotten to first base in life.

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Properly Understanding Genesis 3:14

by Yadirf in

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it was satan that was cursed, not the snake!

if it was satan then that the "curse" of genesis 3:14 applied to rather than the serpent, then how is it that satan has had to live his life since that day as if having to go upon his belly and eat dust?

the answer is arrived at by first considering the lowly state of this somewhat pitiful creature called the "serpent".

Yadirf

Farkel,

: Yes, every time Eve had seen a serpent in the past the serpent had fled
The WTS teaches that animals in Eden had no reason to fear man. Do you disagree with that belief?

I see the serpent as ONE animal that has ALWAYS had a natural need to be particularly cautious, due to its rather unique situation (having to do with the way it was designed without legs), namely, the fact that it lives and maneuvers below the soles of ours and other animal's feet. I think that if I were a legless animal like the serpent that I would feel threatened lying around out in the open, for fear of getting stepped upon. It would seem that other than for this reason the serpent had no reason to fear Adam and Eve. So, no, I don't necessarily disagree with the WTS therefore. Of course serpents today, when compared to their life in the Garden of Eden, have additional reasons for fearing man, even as all other animals do (for obvious reasons).

My parrot is hardy-as-ever and doing great. He gave me about 25 chorus' of "La Cuca Racha" this afternoon. It's always hilarious when old Cockroach sings his own theme song!

That is great to hear, and so very funny too. Wow, that's a lot of La Cuca Racha for one evening. LOL! What an interesting creation the parrot is. It having the ability to mimic OUR speech is awesome.

Take care. Give puppy a hug for me.

I just did, and he took it all in as he was raised on affection. BTW, Friday got a new toy today (as if he really needed another one! What he really needs is a bigger toy box). The toy he got today, from PetsMart, is a stuffed burglar, with black mask over the eyes and all. Friday now knows the toy by the name of "Bad Guy". Each time he gets a new toy we give it a name and in hardly no time at all he knows it by that name. If you tell him to go to his toy box and fetch this or that toy, that's the one he comes back with 99% of the time. The other 1% is where he just doesn't want to play with the particular toy that you sent him after, and comes back with one that he would rather to play with.

Friday (who really needs to go see the optometrist himself)

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WT article on Esther: dead wrong.

by JeffT in

a few weeks ago the pastor at our church gave the sermon from the book of esther.

this sparked some old wt memories.

i looked through my old bound volumes and found this gem of misguided scholarship from the writing department.

Yadirf

Neon,

You, obviously, have NEVER read the book of Esther. You need to before you enter a discussion with sombody who knows its contents, due to the fact that he HAS read it.

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Properly Understanding Genesis 3:14

by Yadirf in

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it was satan that was cursed, not the snake!

if it was satan then that the "curse" of genesis 3:14 applied to rather than the serpent, then how is it that satan has had to live his life since that day as if having to go upon his belly and eat dust?

the answer is arrived at by first considering the lowly state of this somewhat pitiful creature called the "serpent".

Yadirf

Farkel,

Ever accidentally "trample" a snake? Thought not. Ever know anyone who accidentally trampled a snake? Thought not. Ever see an animal "trample" a snake? Thought not. Ever seen any "trampled" snakes in your life? Probably not unless they were on the freeway, and even rabbits don't do so well on freeways.

About a couple of months ago we were traveling along the side-road of an Expressway. As we saw a snake trying to make its way across the road we slowed and came to a stop in order to let it cross. Well, when we stopped so did the snake ... right in line with the exit where cars come off the Expressway. As we sat waiting for the poor little creature to move on a car exited the Expressway and ran over the snake. Both I and my wife felt awfully sad when we saw this happen!

But you make an excellent point, Farkel, in that which I've quoted you as having said above. As a matter of fact, it's very pertinent to this discussion. Yes, man is rarely able to get within close range of a snake. When we are able to it's only because we caught one of them unaware of our presence. As a rule they will flee when they know that we are around. And that's precisely how Satan was first able to get Eve's attention! Yes, every time Eve had seen a serpent in the past the serpent had fled. But this time, curiously, it didn't. For the first time Eve was able to observe a serpent up close! And, what's more it can communicate with her ... something that she didn't know but what all serpents could do since she had never before been able to get that close to any of them to find out. Even as we today are amazed when we hear a parrot (not your parrot, Farkel) speak, Eve was astounded at the serpent's seeming ability to speak. How cunning of Satan!

BTW, Farkel, how is your parrot getting along? Fine I hope.

Tell us all, please. Why did God curse a lowly animal when the animal was clueless about being manipulated in the first place? That's like me crippling your puppy because you pissed me off. As evil as I am, I wouldn't even think of doing such a thing. Why would God do such a thing, then?

For your benefit, Farkel, I should have left this thread titled the way I originally had it before I changed it to "Properly Understanding Genesis 3:14". I first had it titled, "It was Satan that was cursed, NOT the snake!". If I had left the title unchanged then perhaps you would have understood my point, namely that God DIDN'T curse this lowly, innocent, helpless animal, who had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the purpose for which it was being used. BUT ... even with the title left the way it is NOW I have to wonder how you missed the opening words of this piece. Yes those opening words were, you got it, "It was Satan that was cursed, NOT the snake!". Yes, if you scroll back to see, those words are in red, and, in addition, highlighted in yellow. Please check this out, Farkel, as I'm beginning to believe that you never fully read my posts, either that or your eyes are getting really, really bad.

So with regards to what you said, as I've quoted above, you make all the sense in the world (really). Just as you suggest, obviously God had no reason to curse the snake, and he didn't, because the serpent itself had done nothing wrong. The words of Genesis 3:14 were addressed to, not the literal serpent, but to the one that was behind the serpent (for which reason he is called "the original serpent" in Revelation) and used it as his tool as a stealthy means of getting Eve's attention in order to deceive her.

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Edited by - Yadirf on 31 August 2002 15:25:38

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Properly Understanding Genesis 3:14

by Yadirf in

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it was satan that was cursed, not the snake!

if it was satan then that the "curse" of genesis 3:14 applied to rather than the serpent, then how is it that satan has had to live his life since that day as if having to go upon his belly and eat dust?

the answer is arrived at by first considering the lowly state of this somewhat pitiful creature called the "serpent".

Yadirf

Liberty says:

By the way, if you would study some biology you would find that many snakes still have vestial and visible rear legs used in breeding and in nearly all snake's pelvic girdles have vestial leg bones which are reduced and no longer visible from the outside. Snakes once had legs but EVOLVED to reduce them because they hunted their prey in narrow tunnles where legs became a hinderance.

Ha ha ha! You've obviously been reading far too many comic books, Liberty. Like the following one, for instance:

Perhaps the most obvious point about all snakes is that they are limbless, although some of the more primitive families posses a vestigial pelvic girdle, an indication of evolution from limbed reptiles. The pythons and boas possess such a pelvic girdle and, in addition, the vestiges of the hind limbs appear as "spurs" on either side of the cloaca. http://members.tripod.com/wellsking/Nathistory.htm#biology

What a fantasy! The author of that no doubt still believes in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause. Do YOU too?

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Edited by - Yadirf on 30 August 2002 18:4:13

Edited by - Yadirf on 30 August 2002 18:6:51

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WT article on Esther: dead wrong.

by JeffT in

a few weeks ago the pastor at our church gave the sermon from the book of esther.

this sparked some old wt memories.

i looked through my old bound volumes and found this gem of misguided scholarship from the writing department.

Yadirf

Why don't you offer us some proof that JeffT's pastor is lying?

I just did, Donkey's Butt!

Must I repeat:

The story of Esther presents the King as a sober, principled man. Why not read the account and see.

Or maybe it's simply that you CAN'T read. LOL!

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WT article on Esther: dead wrong.

by JeffT in

a few weeks ago the pastor at our church gave the sermon from the book of esther.

this sparked some old wt memories.

i looked through my old bound volumes and found this gem of misguided scholarship from the writing department.

Yadirf

JeffT says:

Our Pastor said that a careful reading of the Hebrew reveals that the command the King sent to Vashti was "come up here wearing the crown and nothing else." Vashti rebelled at the idea of parading herself naked in front of her husbands drunken friends, and lost her position because she did the RIGHT thing.
.... [The WTS] totally missed what was going on with the drinking and the subtleties in the Kings command to Vashti,

That's the most absurd thing I've heard in a long time. The story of Esther presents the King as a sober, principled man. Why not read the account and see. Your "Pastor" lied! The leaders of Christendom are good at twisting God's word. I've seen them do it hundreds of times.

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Edited by - Yadirf on 30 August 2002 16:3:57

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Properly Understanding Genesis 3:14

by Yadirf in

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it was satan that was cursed, not the snake!

if it was satan then that the "curse" of genesis 3:14 applied to rather than the serpent, then how is it that satan has had to live his life since that day as if having to go upon his belly and eat dust?

the answer is arrived at by first considering the lowly state of this somewhat pitiful creature called the "serpent".

Yadirf

Derek,

How is Satan cursed? According to the teaching of your religion, he controls 99.9% of the world's population.

Satan once had the potential to enjoy an never-ending life. Now, due to his incorrigibleness, he is destined for destruction instead -- and his fate is irreversible. He really doesn't want his life to come to an end, he desperately wants to continue living, but of course upon on his own terms. I'd say that Satan is far from being *blessed*!

According to the teaching of your religion, he controls 99.9% of the world's population.

Satan's influence upon the world of mankind is ONLY because God tolerates it, having a specific reason for doing so. So the "control" that he wields is temporary, and short-lived as compared to the eons of time that Satan might have lived had he remained righteous.

Evil being that he is, he wants us all to be destroyed, Jehovah, on the other hand, apparently wants us all to be saved. Neither one will win outright, but who will come the closest?

As to how many of those who have had a taste of life will actually wind up losing it in the end remains to be seen. Ultimately that is each and every person's OWN decision, not Satan's. Too, insofar as the WTS's thinking that those who die at Armageddon will not be resurrected, I do not agree with their position. I believe that teaching will change, even as I think that the WTS is in need of making a number of other adjustments ... and WILL make. -- Daniel 11:35.

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Properly Understanding Genesis 3:14

by Yadirf in

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it was satan that was cursed, not the snake!

if it was satan then that the "curse" of genesis 3:14 applied to rather than the serpent, then how is it that satan has had to live his life since that day as if having to go upon his belly and eat dust?

the answer is arrived at by first considering the lowly state of this somewhat pitiful creature called the "serpent".

Yadirf

It was Satan that was cursed, NOT the snake!

If it was Satan then that the "curse" of Genesis 3:14 applied to rather than the serpent, then how is it that Satan has had to live his life since that day as if having to go upon his belly and eat dust?

The answer is arrived at by first considering the lowly state of this somewhat pitiful creature called the "serpent". Most earthly creatures are privileged with having legs. The birds even have wings in addition to legs. In comparison, the serpent appears to be a "cursed" little creature -- due to its having no legs. Unlike other creatures, which can run or fly to wherever they wish to go, a snake has no way to maneuver from place to place other than by wiggling along on its belly atop the ground. Not a very lofty existence! Too, because it is upon the ground where other creatures tread, the snake has to be particularly "cautious" (NWT) in order that it not get trampled upon.

Now let's consider a few things about the one that took advantage of this ALREADY disadvantaged creature, using it in a most dishonorable way -- that being for the purpose of accomplishing rebellion in the realm of mankind. Of course this was an angel, an angel that came to be known as "Satan" after this act. As a matter of fact, the Bible's giving Satan the title "Serpent" was as a consequence of Satan's use of the serpent. Now, it's important to consider Satan's STANDING prior to this dastardly deed if we are to understand the answer to the question quoted above.

And so what sort of a standing did Satan enjoy before he decided to rebel against God and to make his attempt at drawing the first two representatives of mankind into rebellion along with him? Of course ALL angels are of a higher order than ANY of the creatures God had created of the earthly sort. But, not only was Satan of a higher order of being, more importantly was the fact that he enjoyed God's approval. Having God's approval, he no doubt was regularly entrusted with many important things. Some even believe that on the basis of the language of Ezekiel 28:11-19 Satan had been privileged with having oversight over the first man and woman, he being the covering or protecting Cherub. I am of this persuasion myself.

And so we see that prior to Satan's deviation from righteousness he enjoyed a high degree of honor, as a person who practiced righteousness. But with that rebellion he lost ALL the honor that had previously been associated with his name, whatever that name might have been. So you see, Satan experienced a FALL in association with that incident in the Garden of Eden. He went from being a most honorable person among God's heavenly angels (likely even being of the high order of Cherubs) to a person who hit rock bottom. God stripped him of all the privileges and honor that he had enjoyed up to that point in his already lengthy life. Compared to his status prior to this deed Satan had now become "cursed" - - yes, status-wise, he had become just as LOW as a literal serpent's belly is to the ground. So, from the day he forfeited the prestige he once had amidst God's creation, Satan has had to live a life of dishonor, not having his Creator's respect -- which is like having to slither upon his belly against the lowly dust of the ground as one of the lowliest creatures in existence -- not unlike the little creature that had no legs that he so unfairly took advantage of.

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Edited by - Yadirf on 29 August 2002 4:46:32

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Fruit Having Youth-sustaining Benefits!

by Yadirf in

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this idea of mine, which i quote below, i think is sound.

i still stick to it because i think that it clears up a lot of confusion regarding *the two trees* and their purposes for being in the garden of eden: .

aside from the variety of other trees which jehovah provided for the daily needs of the first human pair, god had placed two especially necessary trees in the "middle of the garden.

Yadirf

Mevirginia,

Or would God create more of these seedless trees?

You got it babe! Ever read Revelation 22:2?

And on this side of the river and on that side there were trees of life producing twelve crops of fruit, yielding there fruits each month. -- Revelation 22:2.

Oh yeah, there's gonna be loads and loads of the tree of life variety , all bearing their seedless fruit 12 times a year. Of course for the time being Adam and Eve would have only needed ONE of them, wouldn't they ... particularly if such a tree produced more fruit every 30 days.

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Edited by - Yadirf on 27 August 2002 21:0:43