Posts by Yadirf

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GB disassociates itself!!

by lulu in

dear brothers:

as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.

in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.

Yadirf

avishai,

You quoted me as having said:

The WTS didn't become "involved" with the UN, not in any shape, form, or fashion. The WTS merely became a "member," remember?

After which you cite these words:

To date 111 nations have given worship to this political image by becoming members of it. However, we, as witnesses of the Sovereign God Jehovah, will continue refusing to engage in such idolatrous worship,....
How do you explain this?

There is a world of difference in the sort of "member" that the WTS was, as an NGO, as compared to the member nations that make up the United Nations. Needless to say, the very existence of the United Nations depends upon the world's nations becoming members, and those nations become involved in international affairs as well as give their support financially. The WTS on the other hand, as a NGO member, didn't do anything ... other than sign on the dotted line.

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GB disassociates itself!!

by lulu in

dear brothers:

as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.

in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.

Yadirf

avishai,

The WTS didn't become "involved" with the UN, not in any shape, form, or fashion. The WTS merely became a "member," remember?
Hey, yadirf, what if as a JW I merely became a "member" of the church of satan, merely to further the wbts goals? Would that be o.k w/ them? Would you check for me?

Won't work. Why? JWs don't practice INTERFAITH.

And since when were there "rank & file" jw's? I thought they were all supposed to be equal?

What's the matter has all other things that you could think of to pick at already been depleted so that you are left with this ridiculous question?

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GB disassociates itself!!

by lulu in

dear brothers:

as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.

in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.

Yadirf

UnDisfellowshipped,

Also, that Watchtower Quote I posted said that the Catholic Church (and several other religions of Christendom) was ASSOCIATED and "ON FRIENDLY TERMS" with the United Nations because they were registered as NGO Members,

Is that so? Well please point it out to me. Heres "that Watchtower Quote" you posted earlier:

Here is the Quote Yadirf:
The Watchtower, June 1st 1991 Issue, Pages 15-20:

10. However, she [Christendom] has not done so. Instead, in her quest for peace and security, she insinuates herself into the favor of the political leaders of the nations-this

despite the Bible's warning that friendship with the world is enmity with God . (James 4:4) Moreover, in 1919 she strongly advocated the League of Nations as man's best hope for peace. Since 1945 she has put her hope in the United Nations. (Compare Revelation 17:3, 11.) How extensive is her involvement with this organization?

11.

A recent book gives an idea when it states: "No less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

It is very interesting to find out what the COMPLETE QUOTE from that Book says:

The *COMPLETE* Quote reads as follows. The portion quoted in the Watchtower Article above is highlighted in blue; note the portion which was NOT INCLUDED in the Watchtower Article (which is here highlighted in red):

PRAYER AND MEDITATION AT THE UNITED NATIONS by Robert Muller

All major world religions are accredited to the United Nations as non-governmental organizations. For example,

no less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Where is it, I don't see it!

So, let's say, even if there is nothing wrong with being an NGO, then why did the Watchtower LIE about the reason they became one?

For strategic reasons, reasons that you apostates have no business knowing about. Now ain't life frustrating!

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GB disassociates itself!!

by lulu in

dear brothers:

as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.

in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.

Yadirf

Undisfellowshipped,

To mimic another person, such as you just did me in your third post back, is a sure sign of childishness. Surely your mind can be stretched a bit so that you won't have to make use of MY very words in order to make a retort.

You're biased FOR the Watchtower and I'm biased AGAINST the Watchtower.

You're dead wrong. If that were the case you would never hear me say anything negative about the WTS (one example: I reject the 1914 doctrine and I've been outspoken about it here). So see, you're just DEAD WRONG.

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GB disassociates itself!!

by lulu in

dear brothers:

as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.

in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.

Yadirf

Jack2,

Something else that comes to mind: what if the brothers and sisters who lived in Malawi in the 1970s, who were persecuted for not carryinga 25 cent political party card, were to learn that their organization had become an member of the UN as an NGO?

First off you need to stop minimizing the seriousness of the test that those there in Malawi faced, as if it were a little two-bit problem that they faced.

So they learn that their organization had once been a member of the UN as an NGO, so what? Do you imagine them to be like YOU, that is, not having enough sense to comprehend the matter and as a result become offended and stumbled? You seem to take it for granted that these were dumb people to begin with.

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GB disassociates itself!!

by lulu in

dear brothers:

as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.

in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.

Yadirf

UnDisfellowshipped,

This is another shinning example of your superfine reasoning ability:

If the JW's are Jehovah's One True Religion, why would they have to have ANY "STRATEGIC HELP" from the Scarlet-Beast, to "Preach the Good News".
That means, without the U.N.'s help, the Watchtower would have been unable to preach in some lands.
That's bulls*** -- if the Watchtower is God's Religion.
JEHOVAH GOD would have made a way for them to preach WITHOUT having HIS PEOPLE join up with the Scarlet-Beast.

Bias at its best!

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GB disassociates itself!!

by lulu in

dear brothers:

as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.

in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.

Yadirf

UnDisfellowshipped,

The reason you can't "see" is because of those blinders you have on. Do you understand the word "bias"?

What your problem really is, is that you've elected to fight the WTS no matter what.

Nothing said by anyone else therefore makes any sense to you unless it fits in with your agenda.

Cry, baby, cry!

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GB disassociates itself!!

by lulu in

dear brothers:

as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.

in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.

Yadirf

BeelzeDub,

If becoming a member is not what is important, but the personal acts that follow that determines ones neutrality, why did so many brothers and sisters die in Malawie because the WTS would not allow them join a single party system? Should they not been allowed to buy join the membership and then do nothing to support it when that time came when called to show that support by some action?

You bring up an entirely different issue here. Were not those JWs in Malawi in effect told that they had no choice but to participate in the politics of the world? (The way that they were treated as a result of their refusal to do so answers that, I think.) They were therefore placed in a position quite similar to the three Hebrews who were told to bow down to the image or else be thrown into the fiery furnace. That's hardly a situation comparable to the WTS having upon their own accord made strategic use of a provision with the United Nations in order to enhance the interests of the Good News in other lands.

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GB disassociates itself!!

by lulu in

dear brothers:

as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.

in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.

Yadirf

UnDisfellowshipped,

You ignored all that I had said to you. In reply to your having stated

"The JW's have condemned the Catholics for being NGO's." I said the following:

It's not that simplistic and shallow, as it goes much deeper than that. The Catholic Church is not only a "member" but an active supporter of the United Nations (which is really nothing new, because the Catholics have always held hands with the political element of the world).

Now with regards to what you did post: So you have a WT reference wherein the extent of the Catholics involvement as NGOs with the UN was called attention to. The thing that youre refusing to acknowledge though is that, unlike the WTS, the organizations of Christendom go far further than simply being listed as "members" with the United Nations. Those organizations get heavily involved in worldly matters. For example, it's no secret that the Churches of Christ supply Chaplains to the armed services of the United States.

True, at one time the WTS was listed right along with the Catholics as an NGO with the United Nations but the all-important difference lay in the purpose behind becoming a member in the first place. With Christendom its to make the world better by means of mans political machine. With the WTS its to establish a base in every country so that the good news of Christs Kingdom (the only true hope for mankind) can become the possession of every honest-hearted person that longs for a permanent solution to the worlds terrible problems.

So, no it wasnt a case of the pot calling the kettle black in the reference you cite.

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GB disassociates itself!!

by lulu in

dear brothers:

as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.

in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.

Yadirf

Undisfellowshipped,

The JW's have condemned the Catholics for being NGO's.

That's a reckless statement for you to have made. It's not that simplistic and shallow, as it goes much deeper than that. The Catholic Church is not only a "member" but an active supporter of the United Nations (which is really nothing new, because the Catholics have always held hands with the political element of the world).

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