newsday.com carries an interesting story with that title.
a few excerpts from the article will give you the gist.
"but democratic rep. susan westrom, a former therapist who worked with abused children felt the law should go furher.
That's just it, we have no idea if ANY of these priests confessed their sin to other priests. This law, if passed, would make a priest who hears confession choose between God and the State. I do firmly believe that all cases REPORTED to clergy should be turned over to the law, but those cases "confessed" to clergy need keep the privelege.
Besides Cassiline, you point to the "millions" killed in the name of religion, but not the millions killed by atheist regimes.
newsday.com carries an interesting story with that title.
a few excerpts from the article will give you the gist.
"but democratic rep. susan westrom, a former therapist who worked with abused children felt the law should go furher.
seigs,
I'm saying that all that will happen if this law passes is that pretty soon any and all crimes will be required to be reported. That and the fact that almost any Catholic Priest compelled to reveal this will go to jail instead. Not because the priest wants to protect pedophiles but because he wants to preserve the sanctity of the Sacrament. Any priest that does reveal a confession is automatically excommunicated.
no, I don't approve of the way the Society has handled this, but the Society doesn't have a centuries old doctrine, paid for in blood and death and jail, of keeping what is revealed in Confession secret. Besides, what were talking about with the Elders is when a victim makes the accusation. If a child comes to a clergyman and accusses someone of abuse that should be reported.
One big difference is that the Catholic Church doesn't excommunicate the victims when they go public.
I do beleive there should be a very strict definition of what qualifies for the privelege, but I think the privelege must remain. Besides, even if passed I think it would lose the constitutional challenge. Penitent Clergy privelege has been challenged in court many times in the US, the clergy generally win.
Edited by - Yeru2 on 11 January 2003 3:10:6
newsday.com carries an interesting story with that title.
a few excerpts from the article will give you the gist.
"but democratic rep. susan westrom, a former therapist who worked with abused children felt the law should go furher.
This isn't a 5th amendment issue, if you or I were to know about a crime, and not report it, we could be held as an accessory to the crime. Why should the clergy be above the rest of the citizens?
Because of the unique role clergy play in public life. If there is ANY issue I don't think I can trust talking to my clergy about, then NO issue is safe with them criminal or non-criminal.
I bring up the 5th amendment issue because if the penitent beleives what he tells the clergy is a sacred secret to reveal it would be almost like self incrimination.
If this law is passed for issues of child abuse then it's just the beginning of the slippery slope and NOTHING said to a clergyman will be sacred.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/850567.asp?0cv=cb10
north korea has said that this standoff with the us could lead to world war iii.
scary words, huh?.
D8TA,
your logic is flawed, woefully flawed.
Yes indeed, the US sells arms and makes a little money doing it, but with very few exceptions were not handing out weapons of Mass Destruction to the highest bidder AND, we're fixing to whoop up on the one guy who did get WMD that shouldn't have. In other words, WE are strong enough, militarily, to clean up the mess we make.
The reason there are oil and food sanctions against NK is because it RESUMED it's Weapons program. Had they stuck to the deal we would have. Instead, they took our food and oil and funded their military build up and kept on developing weapons of mass destruction.
You're taking Brazilian citizenship? Good, glad someone who hates this country so much is going somewhere where they can be happy.
that always gets your attention, huh.
ok, i'm watching the "o'reilly factor", they just aired the case of two hs students who engaged in oral sex on a bus in silverlakes maryland while several other students cheered them on and the bus driver did nothing.
the principal of the school system didn't inform the school board until after the local newspaper broke the story and he refuses to say how the students will be punished.
If the kids had gotten into a little fight on the bus they would already be kicked out of school.
Had they been caught with a nail file that had a tiny knife blade , they would have been expelled
and possibly arrested. Had they had a minature replica of a handgun on a key chain they
would already be out of school, why haven't these kids been kicked out of school yet?
Why the delay in punishment.
anyone here ever wanted or had the desire to serve in the military while you were a jw in good standing?
would you do it now if you were younger and within the ages that they require for new recruits?.
are you willing to give your life for your country and what you believe in?
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The VERY first thing I would do if I were king in California is CUT TAXES, then, I'd CUT SPENDING. No more illegal aliens would be getting free medical care, or state funds, no more homeless guys addicted to drugs and alcohol would be getting 300 plus dollars a day to do with as they wish (though if they went into a treatment program I wouldn't be oppossed. Want more?
we were a very geeky bunch of late 70's-early 80's suburban american white boys in my neighborhood where i grew up.. but my all time favorite one that makes me laugh every time i think about it, was how we rigged up parachutes to our bikes using twine and trash bags.
we would ride down the street as fast as we could, and then let the parachute out, which was tied to the end of our banana seat.
we thought we were cool funny car racers.. another one was inventing a previously unheard of cuss word that we could use around adults while winking at each other and giggling.
When I was five I put on the only suit I had, walked over to my neighbor who was then in his late 60's. I had some blank sheets of paper in a folder and my big Indian pencil. I told him I was there representing the company he worked for and that I was there for him to sign his retirment papers. His wife brought me in and gave me cookies and milk. I think I got this off an episode of Bewitched or some such show.
we were a very geeky bunch of late 70's-early 80's suburban american white boys in my neighborhood where i grew up.. but my all time favorite one that makes me laugh every time i think about it, was how we rigged up parachutes to our bikes using twine and trash bags.
we would ride down the street as fast as we could, and then let the parachute out, which was tied to the end of our banana seat.
we thought we were cool funny car racers.. another one was inventing a previously unheard of cuss word that we could use around adults while winking at each other and giggling.
Tried to start my own Socialist Club (that's right, I was at one time a dyed in the wool socialist. Before that I thought I was going to united all Native Americans and take their land back, by force if necessary (I was 11) I was a Socialist until about age 18 or 19 I guess.
newsday.com carries an interesting story with that title.
a few excerpts from the article will give you the gist.
"but democratic rep. susan westrom, a former therapist who worked with abused children felt the law should go furher.
trauma,
Do you support even the pedophiles right to invoke the 5th amendment and not testify against him/herself?
that always gets your attention, huh.
ok, i'm watching the "o'reilly factor", they just aired the case of two hs students who engaged in oral sex on a bus in silverlakes maryland while several other students cheered them on and the bus driver did nothing.
the principal of the school system didn't inform the school board until after the local newspaper broke the story and he refuses to say how the students will be punished.
Target,
The driver knew and didn't report it to anyone, a kid told his parents, that's how this came out.
These kind of news stories IMO are just pointless voyeurism. It doesn't affect anyone other than those involved in the slightest.It shows the state of moral decay in public schools, it's very much a proper news story. If the right thing had been done then I'd agree that this wasn't a news story, the thing is NOTHING has been done so it is a news story. Not only do I have to worry about my kids being exposed to Cross dressers as chaperones, but now they have to witness live sex acts on the school bus and no one gets punished. Something's wrong here.
