dave got home early on wednesday so we hustled off to the afternoon showing.
(cheaper seats).
it was amazing...................very compelling, and thought provoking.. one of the most upsetting things was towards the end when he revealed that of all 96 (not sure of that number) members of congress (senate and house) only 1 member had a child in the military, actively serving.
Yes, but there is some truth in there. It isn't all lies.
Like in a WatchTower or Awake Magazine?
Yes, but there is some truth in there. It isn't all lies.We aren't stupid, and don't believe everything we see, especially Dave, but much of it is true, and you know it is when you see it.
You can't seriously believe that all of it is lies???
I thought you'd already exited the Society.
dave got home early on wednesday so we hustled off to the afternoon showing.
(cheaper seats).
it was amazing...................very compelling, and thought provoking.. one of the most upsetting things was towards the end when he revealed that of all 96 (not sure of that number) members of congress (senate and house) only 1 member had a child in the military, actively serving.
Information was not manipulated...Moore lied.
dave got home early on wednesday so we hustled off to the afternoon showing.
(cheaper seats).
it was amazing...................very compelling, and thought provoking.. one of the most upsetting things was towards the end when he revealed that of all 96 (not sure of that number) members of congress (senate and house) only 1 member had a child in the military, actively serving.
Mulan,
MOORE LIED: At least four members of congress have family there.
Not that this will matter to you...that he lied.Early in this segment, Moore states that ?only one? member of Congress has a child in Iraq. The action of the segment consists of Moore accosting Congressmen to try to convince them to have their children enlist in the military. At the end, Moore declares, ?Not a single member of Congress wanted to sacrifice their child for the war in Iraq.?
Moore?s statement is technically true, but duplicitous. Of course no-one would want to ?sacrifice? his child in any way. But the fact is, Moore's opening ("only one") and his conclusion ("not a single member") are both incorrect. Sergeant Brooks Johnson, the son of South Dakota Democratic Senator Tim Johnson, serves in the 101 st Airborne Division and fought in Iraq in 2003. The son of California Republican Representative Duncan Hunter quit his job after September 11, and enlisted in the Marines; his artillery unit was deployed in the heart of insurgent territory in February 2004. Delaware Senator Joseph Biden's son Beau is on active duty; although Beau Biden has no control over where he is deployed, he has not been sent to Iraq, and therefore does not "count" for Moore's purposes.
How about Cabinet members? Fahrenheit never raises the issue, because the answer would not fit Moore?s thesis. Attorney General John Ashcroft?s son is serving on the U.S.S. McFaul in the Persian Gulf.
The editing of the Congressional scenes borders on the fraudulent:
?.Representative Kennedy (R-MN), one of the lawmakers accosted in Fahrenheit 9/11, was censored by Michael Moore.
According to the [Minneapolis] Star Tribune , Kennedy, when asked if he would be willing to send his son to Iraq, responded by stating that he had a nephew who was en-route to Afghanistan. He went on to inform Moore that his son was thinking about a career in the navy and that two of his nephews had already served in the armed forces. Kennedy?s side of the conversation, however, was cut from the film, leaving him looking bewildered and defensive.What was Michael?s excuse for trimming the key segment? Kennedy?s remarks didn?t help his thesis: ?He mentioned that he had a nephew that was going over to Afghanistan,? Moore recounted. ?So then I said ?No, no, that?s not our job here today. We want you to send your child to Iraq. Not a nephew.??
Kennedy lambasted Moore as a ?master of the misleading? after viewing the interview in question.
slim fast ran fast after whoppi's little vulgar display...she's no longer their spokeswoman.
fired!.
fair or foul, and why!
Wow, this thread went further than I thought it would, and is more evenly divided than I thought it would be.
ROBDAR,
I think you credit the FREEPERS a bit too much, they aren't that influential. most of them don't drink Slim Fast anyhow...somehow I doubt that the Slim Fast decision had much to do with the threat of boycott from the FREEPERS as it did just plain and simple not wanting to be associated with the vulgarity Whoopi used. Why is THAT so hard to beleive...that a company has standards...Good Democrats like Joe Lieberman are distancing themselves from Whoopi. I guess another problem I have is that you seem to view boycotts as a bad thing...boycotts in the South worked wonders for civil rights...they're all about choice...aren't you pro-choice?
Enormous difference between what Cheney said and what Whoopi said. The VP was in the CLOAK ROOM of the Senate, which is in private...and made his comment directly to Leahy, in a PRIVATE setting. Whoopi made her comments in public...didn't stop with a simple "F" Bush, which would have been wrong but ok (same as it was for cheney) the comment wasn't made to Bush, nor was Bush afforded the opportunity to defend himself...If you don't see the differnce....well, I can't help ya.
two by-elections held yesterday showed a 21%-27% swing away from the labour party !.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3898823.stm.
i will be extremely surprised if he's still the leader by the time the next general election is held.
Simon,
Which one are you?
slim fast ran fast after whoppi's little vulgar display...she's no longer their spokeswoman.
fired!.
fair or foul, and why!
SLIM FAST ran fast after Whoppi's little vulgar display...she's no longer their spokeswoman. FIRED!
Fair or Foul, and WHY!
two by-elections held yesterday showed a 21%-27% swing away from the labour party !.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3898823.stm.
i will be extremely surprised if he's still the leader by the time the next general election is held.
On the 16th of July in the year 2004 Simon Green and Michael Cavalier agreed on a political issue...and even the gods of olympus trembled.
Simon, what is that GOD AWFUL outfit you're wearing, ya look like something out of Monty Python.
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does anyone here know anything about the supposed resolution that the un have about banning all religion?.
i've done a google search but can't find anything and i'd be grateful for any help on this.. thanks.
I can't believe this thread is still up and running.
two by-elections held yesterday showed a 21%-27% swing away from the labour party !.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3898823.stm.
i will be extremely surprised if he's still the leader by the time the next general election is held.
RE-ELECT MAGGIE THACHER!
anyone else have a problem with this?.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/law/07/13/beer.drinkers.license.ap/man loses license after telling doctor about drinking.
tuesday, july 13, 2004 posted: 6:54 pm edt (2254 gmt).
Some laws are just plain stupid.
