Posts by ZazuWitts

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Healing and meaning

by Introspection in

the following is by dean ornish, no doubt many have heard of him, he's the md who has the program for reversing heart disease.

i thought many of us would be able to relate to these words:.

"for me the epidemic in our culture is not only physical heart disease but also emotional and spiritual heart disease.

ZazuWitts

Hi Intro,

Excellent thoughts within your post.
Thank you so much for sharing it with us.

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Hey check out this riddle

by bigboi in

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i wasn't sure where to post this so i put on the main board.. there are two guys standing at a fork in the road leading to the .

villages of truth and lies respectively.

in the village of truth ppl .

ZazuWitts

Hi Bigboi

Well, if the people of the Village of Truth never lie, simply ask both to point to the path which leads to the Village of Truth...then take the path!

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my name is jim,i have been in a slow but now i feel complete process of removing myself from the chains of mind control.. before i left i was a ministerial servant as well as a regular aux pioneer, i also had book study in my home along with sat.

morning field service.

unfournatley i was raised in the non-truth since i was 8 years old, i refused to get babtized as a youth because even then i felt like things were not like they really should be from a relegion that claims to have love among themselves as well as love for neighbor.. at the age of 16 i started to rebell against the non-truth with the result being that i did not want to be a witness i could not live in my loving witness parent household.

ZazuWitts

Hello Big Jim and Knight

Appreciated reading your experiences and thoughts. I've been 'out' a long time, but am continually saddened at how the WTBTS impacts people in such negative ways. Will look forward to future comments from the two of you.

Welcome aboard (hehe, thought this was appropriate for you, in particular,
Big Jim.)

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What happend to Covington

by hippikon in

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what happend to covington.

i understand he left to org after being told he couldnt be on the gb because he wasn't anointed.

i'dd like to get some confirmation on that if anyone knows.. .

ZazuWitts

Hi Hippikon,

Covington was disfellowshipped in the early 1960's...alledgedly due to his alcoholism. He was later reinstated and died in 'good-standing' in 1979.
It was well-known that he had many on-going conflict(s) with Nathan Knorr. Jim Penton relates some of this in his fine, historical account, "Apocalypse Delayed."

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A Message of Hope

by 7robert7 in

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it's been a long time since i've visited this site.

the last time that i was here i was not allowed to participate in this forums discussions for as it was explained to me, "you dont share in our beliefs, therefore your comments, ideas, and expressions would cause conflict, and disunity among those of us who do share in the truth.

" the day i recieved the denial, i broke down in tears and prayed that jesus christ would bring down the walls of hatred and mistrust among those here and that he would allow me the blessed opportunity to some day share the joy that i have found in him.

ZazuWitts

Robert,

Welcome,

I sincerely believe that you have this site 'mixed-up' with another place you posted...as Logical has suggested.

At any rate, what happened with the meeting you had scheduled with the elders earlier today?

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HELLO? HELLO? "ALL" SIGN IN???????

by waiting in

simon did away with the sex forum - so i must take the tradional route and post under "make new friends.

" how mundane!.

fyi ---- for all of us, please take the time to write a sentence or two about yourselves, and encourage new ones to do the same.

ZazuWitts

Welcome to: Wounded Heart and Victoria

Very glad you posted; looking forward to your participation on future/other threads.

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Your Top Ten Books

by GinnyTosken in

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i love the book lists on amazon; i get lost in them for hours.

recently someone asked me for book recommendations, and i thought it would be fun if we shared our lists of top ten books that helped us think our way out of the jw dogma.

im putting aside the obvious ones, like crisis of conscience and apocalypse delayed.. heres my list, in the order i discovered them as best i can recall.. ginny.

ZazuWitts

Great thread Ginny - it may turn into one of the longest yet!!!

Here are some of my picks:

All Rivers Run to the Sea: Memoirs -
Eric Wiesel

Sacred Hunger - Barry Unsworth

The Ghost Rock - Pat Barker
(The last book of a trilogy: The first two being: 1.Regeneration - 2. The Eye in the Door)

Lucky Jim - Kingsley Amis

Gems of British Comic Prose - Geoff
Puterbaugh

Language, Truth and Logic - Jules Ayer

The Four Agreements: A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom - Miguel Toltec

How to Think About Weird Things: Critical Thinking for a New Age -
Theodore Schick

I am also an avid reader of fiction of all sorts, especially courtroom dramas, mysteries (classic and current), political intrigue, classic writers, both past and present.

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I didn't survive an Apostate Convention

by expatbrit in

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so i get this envelope in the mail.

i know it's, like, apostate stuff.

because it doesn't fall to the floor after coming through the letter box.. inside is an invitation:.

ZazuWitts

Expatbrit,

What a wickedly delicious post. I have been 'howling' for the last five minutes!!!! Funny thing, I could just picture the participants in the characters you assigned them, hehehehe.
How clever of you - hoping for a sequel - please, please. O)(O

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it just got more interesting.

by Texasbred in

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the woman i am dating has a 4 year old child.

he's a cute kid, and we get along very well.. the father was once a jw and he went to the same kingdom hall as my girlfriend.

but now he's out and celebrates holidays, birthdays, etc.

ZazuWitts

Hi Tex

I'm not going to repeat any of the very good thoughts above. And, I, took hope you 'stick around' - for our englightenment as well as yours.

Frankly, most JW women would literally JuMp, JuMp, JuMp at the opportunity to bring someone such as yourself into the
organization. So, that leaves me wondering, also, why?? she hasn't pushed this, since you expressed a willingness to attend meetings.

I think that you aware that if her congregational elders learned of her
'smoking' and the fact that you two have a sexual relationship, she would be disfellowshipped and 'shunned totally' by all - likely even by her own parents!!! As others' have commented on, this makes me question that perhaps she doesn't want you to go to the Kingdom Hall with her, on the chance that the 'critical-eyed' elders would pick-up on your feelings for her.
Put her in the 'spotlight' as such, and then actually 'grill' her about your relationship...and believe me, they would show no mercy. (If you haven't done so, please read JT's "Thong" thread.)

I like Mommy's advice - it would seem that she has doubts on some level - check out some of the recommended sites like Freemind and consider sharing them with her. Start slowly, perhaps with one topic, and see how she responds.

I will repeat some above advice - your life will be dramatically altered if you should marry this woman and she remains adament about rearing her child, and probably any you two might have together, as active JW's. If you had a son or daughter by her, would you want them to miss out on birthday celebrations, Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter, sports in school, 4th of July parades.....and the list goes on.....?

And think of this potential happening - even if you raised 'your' child as you see fit and she doesn't give you any flack re doing so - what about the child she already has - what a horrible 'conlict' it would cause between siblings. One child so restricted - the other an active participant in normal childhood activities, holidays, etc. Truly, Tex, IMO you must 'force' the issues with her - it's unfair to both of you to let this situation continue as it has.

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HELLO? HELLO? "ALL" SIGN IN???????

by waiting in

simon did away with the sex forum - so i must take the tradional route and post under "make new friends.

" how mundane!.

fyi ---- for all of us, please take the time to write a sentence or two about yourselves, and encourage new ones to do the same.

ZazuWitts

****Bring to top for new posters****

HeLLo to all

'old friends' and 'new-to-be-friends.'

I will say 'Waiting's not the oldest
femme on this forum - but that's all I'm telling.

Oh heck, I will give you some clues - I've been married to poster 'larc' for 38 years. And, I was of legal age when we were united in a typical, boring, sterile JW ceremony.
Larc is one of the prolific
JEDI posters - I'm a little quieter -
but around, and feel free to e-mail me if you, on occasion, 'need a substitute mother' or for any other reason, ok.

We have three adult children, who are NOT, thankfully, JW's. IMO the best gift we could have ever given them.

You know how we speak of the 'flip-flops' in WTBTS doctrine, etc.
Well, some times my heart does flip-
flops when I read this forum. I feel sincerely the 'grief' of fellow posters, and also the 'joy' of their liberation from the Borg.

A warm welcome to you newer posters - there are so, so many that it's almost impossible to personally greet you individually. I look forward to sharing and learning from you all.

I hope our 'Waiting', the Emperor, is smiling---she
has reminded me to post on this thread a couple of times. :) :)