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Kangaroos and the Flood

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noahs descendants .

genesis 10. the table of nations .

the japhethites .

Zechariah

Joseph,

Is this all you needed?

Genesis 6:17
I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.

Genesis 7:17
For forty days the flood kept coming on the
earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth.

Genesis 7:24
The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

Genesis 9:11
I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth."

Genesis 10:32
These are the clans of Noah's sons, according to their lines of descent, within their nations. From these the nations spread out over the earth after the flood.

I dont think there is any doubt about what the Bible teaches about the flood. Its whether we believe it or not. Do you deny the evidence that from the descendants of Noah the nations spread out over the earth. Just like the scriptures say.

I am well aware of the different uses of the word "world" in the Bible. That is not what we're faced with here.

Zechariah

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Kangaroos and the Flood

by Zechariah in

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noahs descendants .

genesis 10. the table of nations .

the japhethites .

Zechariah

You say science was not invented to disprove God. Maybe not but evolution is not science and it for certain was created and intended for just that purpose. All your declarations about what all science and scientists say and believe is grossly untrue and self serving.

My intent has always been to let God be found true though every man a liar. We as man have made a God out of worldly wisdom and the case is continuously made that we have to be intellectually honest and accept the facts as presented by the SCIENTISTS. I am a man of faith dominated by the spirit and not the mind. As long as there is a plausible way to rectify what the Bible says is true I will believe it.

You obviously are just as biased the other way.

I believe that the connection
of all races to Noah counteracts anything else.

You said scientist believe what the evidence teach and not what the cultures want them to believe. So you seem to discount the passed down records of the cultures as to what they believed as being evidence. You are going to dismiss that with qustionable and speculative physical analysis biased to unbelief.

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Kangaroos and the Flood

by Zechariah in

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noahs descendants .

genesis 10. the table of nations .

the japhethites .

Zechariah

Zechariah,

The selected gene pool theory of the populating of the world contradicts that limited world argument. All races of people can tace heir heritage to Noah descendants. Why is that?

I'm sure AlanF has cleared everything up fine for people committed in discredit the Bible.
But I'm not at all impressed.

Zechariah

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Kangaroos and the Flood

by Zechariah in

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noahs descendants .

genesis 10. the table of nations .

the japhethites .

Zechariah

You're intentionallypretending not to understand. That 200 classifications more like 150. At least it was that 40 years ago. Theres no reason why the would arise any new classifications just new species.

I think you understand the difference and are just trying to confuse the issue.

If there were dinosaurs before the flood that were killed by it Noah was not obligated to take two dinosaurs into the ark. He fulfilled his obligation with smaller sized representatives such as the lizard, etc.

Are you also rejecting the selected gene pool theory for the dispersment of the human population over the earth after the flood.

I will be talking more about that.

Zechariah

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Kangaroos and the Flood

by Zechariah in

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noahs descendants .

genesis 10. the table of nations .

the japhethites .

Zechariah

Of course your way requires no maybes at all.

I'll stick with mine.

Zechariah

66

Kangaroos and the Flood

by Zechariah in

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noahs descendants .

genesis 10. the table of nations .

the japhethites .

Zechariah

Gopher,
Simmer down Gopher :)

I wonder what classification the Gophers fell into. :)

I never implied they immediately set sail. What I said was.
Within a short course of time many descendants set sail for distant places along with animals of various kind.

That fits perfectly into your own theory that it took place 150 years later. As to whether they left any kangeroos there and if so why they cannot find evidence of it. I don't know. I wouldn't believe that all the families cared to share their animals. Maybe after the flood climate had so changed that the Middle East wa not a good place to raise kangeroos. They might have been specifically looking for a place with a more tropical climate in order to save the kangeroos. It might have bee a specifically save the kangeroos and other tropical animals voyage.

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Kangaroos and the Flood

by Zechariah in

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noahs descendants .

genesis 10. the table of nations .

the japhethites .

Zechariah

Noahs descendants

Genesis 10
The Table of Nations
1 This is the account of Shem, Ham and Japheth, Noah's sons, who themselves had sons after the flood. The Japhethites
2 The sons [1] of Japheth:
Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech and Tiras.
3 The sons of Gomer:
Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah.
4 The sons of Javan:
Elishah, Tarshish, the Kittim and the Rodanim. [2] 5 (From these the maritime peoples spread out into their territories by their clans within their nations, each with its own language.) The Hamites
6 The sons of Ham:
Cush, Mizraim, [3] Put and Canaan.
7 The sons of Cush:
Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah and Sabteca.
The sons of Raamah:
Sheba and Dedan.
8 Cush was the father [4] of Nimrod, who grew to be a mighty warrior on the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD ; that is why it is said, "Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the LORD ." 10 The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Erech, Akkad and Calneh, in [5] Shinar. [6] 11 From that land he went to Assyria, where he built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir, [7] Calah 12 and Resen, which is between Nineveh and Calah; that is the great city.
13 Mizraim was the father of
the Ludites, Anamites, Lehabites, Naphtuhites, 14 Pathrusites, Casluhites (from whom the Philistines came) and Caphtorites.
15 Canaan was the father of
Sidon his firstborn, [8] and of the Hittites, 16 Jebusites, Amorites, Girgashites, 17 Hivites, Arkites, Sinites,
18 Arvadites, Zemarites and Hamathites. Later the Canaanite clans scattered 19 and the borders of Canaan reached from Sidon toward Gerar as far as Gaza, and then toward Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboiim, as far as Lasha.
20 These are the sons of Ham by their clans and languages, in their territories and nations. The Semites
21 Sons were also born to Shem, whose older brother was [9] Japheth; Shem was the ancestor of all the sons of Eber.
22 The sons of Shem:
Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram.
23 The sons of Aram:
Uz, Hul, Gether and Meshech. [10]
24 Arphaxad was the father of [11] Shelah,
and Shelah the father of Eber.
25 Two sons were born to Eber:
One was named Peleg, [12] because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan.
26 Joktan was the father of
Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth, Jerah, 27 Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah, 28 Obal, Abimael, Sheba, 29 Ophir, Havilah and Jobab. All these were sons of Joktan.
30 The region where they lived stretched from Mesha toward Sephar, in the eastern hill country.
31 These are the sons of Shem by their clans and languages, in their territories and nations.
32 These are the clans of Noah's sons, according to their lines of descent, within their nations. From these the nations spread out over the earth after the flood.

The problem of how kangaroos got to Australia is answered in this or at least presents the creationists explanation.

One thing that needs to be clarified is that Noah did not take two of every species. He took two of every kind or classification. Cats, Dogs, Marsupials, horses, etc. covers thousands of species. There are only about 200 such classifications that represent the entire animal kingdom.

I perceive after the flood Noahs family members divided up the pairs of animals and also the seven of the clean animals. Within a short course of time many descendants set sail for distant places along with animals of various kind. Obviously those that made it to Australia brought the kangaroos with them. Works for me.

Zechariah

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The Practice blood episode

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i just watched an episode of the practice.

involving a a woman lawyer who was from a jw family.

the case was made that the sick woman was not really a jw.

Zechariah

I just watched an episode of The Practice
involving a a woman lawyer who was from a JW family. It was a re-run from a year ago I believe.

The woman lawyer had some kind of medical problem and was in a coma expecting to die. The medical consensus was she needed a blood transfusion. Her JW parents made the decision for her to refuse a transfusion. This made me think of my own situation. I believe if I somehow were in a coma my JW family who decide for me to refuse a transfusion. This they would do knowing full well , us having discussed it, I no longer believe in the blood prohibition policy. I have to have a talk with them about this.

The lawyer friend of the sick woman took the case to court to compel the transfusion. The case was made that the sick woman was not really a JW. And even if she was she did not believe all its tenets. She did not believe homosexuality was a sin or extramarital sex, She saluted the flag. She had a abortion, etc. It therefore was argued it could not be certain she would for herself refuse a transfusion. Despite the strength of the case the transfusion was ordered.

The way it went off was strange and I do not know whether there is a second part. In any respect it really made me think.

Zechariah

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Belief is Absurd

by IronGland in

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i am beginning to wonder if there is some kind of physical brain wiring that makes some people more likely to accept religion, even when believing in a certain supernatural paradigm presents numerous absurdities.

christians seem to be able to convince themselves of the following: .

) the god described in the bible is real, yet the god(s) of other religions are not (a variation: other religions are satanic deceptions).

Zechariah

Irongland,

You have allowed religious misconceptions about the true nature of God motivate you to consider belief in his existence absurd. I agree the typical Judeo/Christian concept of God presents God in ways that is undesireable. Understand though that the Bible described God in ways that men could only understand in past times using physical terms to describe spiritual things.

God correctly is spirit. As such he is not subject to physical laws of time, space, etc. Therefore it is clear that God cannot and does not exist merely outside ourselves but also inside ourselves as well. He is neither male nor female as such does not apply to him. Like radio waves God exists everywhere in and around us.

God is always with us as a spirit inheritance but whether we are able to commune with God and access all his programming for us depends upon us tuning in to him. This is just like tuning in to a station on the radio. This must be done willingly and willfully. Although like with a radio we can coincidentally run across a certain station by surfing the dial. But we will not stay tuned to that station if we dont appreciate whats being aired.

Tuning into God is only done by trusting and faith. This is what keeps us tuned into God and receptive to what we receive there. Because of the intimate location of God wthin ourselves when one believes and trusts in God it translates to belief and trust in ourselves as well. Conversly it works that disbelief and mistrust in God translates to mistrust and disbelief in ourselves.

For successful living we must begin with the understanding that we are one with God in this very real way. Whether or not we are in communion with God is whether or not we have tuned into him by inviting him to live in our hearts (God's temple) by our acceptance of him by faith.

Faith is the one simple requirement for such a relationship with God. The hellfire you mentioned in the way of seperation from God should not be distasteful in any way to one who does not believe God exists. A person without God can have success but not true peace and contentment that comes with being one with God.

An accurate view of God comes from realizing our onness with God. Most every religion in the world including Judeo/Christian ones support this concept. God truly does not live in temples built by men but rather in mens hearts.

I'm in agreement that a man does not need religion to have a relationship with God. However
the belief that a universal God of all people exists is for certain and is the only beneficial thing for one to believe. Belief is the ultimate powerful tool to create a happy and fulfilled life. But if used incorrectly it can just as easily damage our lives.

It is the most important thing in our lives to make changes when they benefit us. Our lives are shaped by what we believe. Believing makes it so. We are what we think.

Special Serenity Prayer

I am willing to believe in God whether or not there is evidence to do so. There is no benefit in not believing. I rewrote the serenity prayer in line with faith. It goes ike this:

God give me the faith to believe the things it benefits me to.

To reject the things that offer no benefit.

And the wisdom to know the difference.

Anonymous Poem

Mind the master power that moulds and makes
And man is mind and evermore he takes
The tools of thought and shaping what it wills
Brings forth a thousand joys and a thousand ills
Man thinks in secret and it comes to pass
Environment is but his looking glass

The last line means that our environment or circumstances don't determining what we are . It simply shows us up for what we are.

The following poem is one of my own
called All I See in Life Is The Good...

All I see in life is the good
Only Joy I feel never sorrow
In my world it never rains
All day long the sun shines bright
Theres no place in which I know
That is other than a paradise
Theres no man that I hate
Because with love there is no room
And I never sing the blues
I always sing a happy tune

All I see in life is the good
Only joy I feel never sorrow
My whole life is a success
For only blessings do I count
And despite my lack of funds
A rich man is to what I amount
Rich in joy, peace, and love
and the hope of better days
For to just see good in life
Is the only thing that ever pays

Funkyderek,

The obligation you feel you owe to the intellect is one that will enslave and hamper you all your life. In view of everything I just said about the power of belief it should be obvious that what you call intellectual dishonesty is the very obligation of a man of faith. It is only by challenging the devilish notion that we must always face the facts that one can succeed in positively changing ones circumstances.

The physical (carnal) man is dominated by the intellect. He is slave of or in bondage to the intellect. He is EGO in the cute illustration I related of the two babies in the womb. He feels obligated to believe whatever the intellect tells him is fact. If you failed before you'll fail again. The Doctor says you are going to die. Etc.

The spirit man challenges the ego always as he is dominated by the spirit of God within him. He is a overcomer. He rises above his circumstances and succeeds with the power of God. He is SPIRIT in the cute illustration about the babies in the womb. There is life after death as there is life after birth. Belief in this eventuality makes our current circumstances better.

Zechariah

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Belief is Absurd

by IronGland in

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i am beginning to wonder if there is some kind of physical brain wiring that makes some people more likely to accept religion, even when believing in a certain supernatural paradigm presents numerous absurdities.

christians seem to be able to convince themselves of the following: .

) the god described in the bible is real, yet the god(s) of other religions are not (a variation: other religions are satanic deceptions).

Zechariah

SS,

Whether or not you believe in the paranormal may depend entirely on your brain chemistry. People with high levels of dopamine are more likely to find significance in coincidences, and pick out meaning and patterns where there are none.

Very informative information and entirely understandable. Unbelievers are inherently mistrustful. They are very guarded against seeing things that they believe are not there.

This is primarily for the reason they are physical men who only can accept what the physical senses can detect. They do not recognize the existence of unseen things and as a result will never with the eyes of fath be able to perceive them.

In the study you spoke of the mistrust and fear of unbelievers to see things they believe are not there makes them also prone to miss things they have seen but do not trust their own eyes. They have no trust of their spiritual instinct and as a result they never develop psychic abilities because the don't believe such abilities exist.

The introduction of dopamine or perhaps any drug or alcohol that relaxes the mind and reducing the barrier to trust unbelievers naturally have.

It is certain that believers will see more patterns than unbelievers because they trust their psychic selves something unbelievers have no knowledge of. The patterns believers see that was not designed by the programmer is still valid for the believer. That pattern from his own perspective is really there and should not be discounted especially if he uniquely is affected by it.

I would imagine for a unbeliever that his times of greatest belief is when he is high. Doped (dopamine). They let their guard down. Am I right?

Man is a spirit (psychic) being physically embodied. Man is a spirit son of God. His awareness of that fact only by faith (willingness to believe) is the key to receive our inheritance of spiritual gifts from our heavenly father.

Zechariah