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True, or FAlse?

by Andyman in

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i am sure most of you have seen the following quote form the wbts's pr site:.

"do you shun former members?.

those who simply cease to be involved in the faith are not shunned.

Zep

Highly critical is an understatement. SHe does raise some interesting points though.

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jesus taught that the romans should be loved and not hated.therefore some of his zealot mates decided to get rid of him.some of thezealots were rounded up and condemned to death by crucifixion, some guys high contrived for jesus to be exchanged for barabbas.they gave pilate evidence that jc was part of the zealot movement and was a would be king.jesus was on the cross he was offered poison to drink to end it all, but refuses.by 3pm the pain is unbearable and he takes the wine laced with poison and looses consciousness...but he aint dead.john says that blood came from a wound in his side:clue: a dead body dont bleed.the jews tell pilate that its contrary to law to have the bodies hung out overnight.so pilate agrees to change the excution to being buried alive.all 3 guys are put into a cave.it was thought that jesus was dead, but the others were alive and to prevent their escape their legs are broken (?

).but jesus mates realise he aint dead and they put 100 pounds of myrrh and aloes in his grave clothes...to expell the poison from his body.one of the zealots sitting in the cave with him, pours the juice into his mouth...he recovers.. mary magdalene comes to the cave ans sees that the men had managed to roll back the big rock blocking the cave a little.mary goes and gets help, and jesus later apears before some of his supporters then goes into a monastic life but still guides the others at times.. so......angela lansberry, eat your heart out!

Zep

Jesus taught that the Romans should be loved and not hated.Therefore some of his zealot mates decided to get rid of him.Some of theZealots were rounded up and condemned to death by Crucifixion, some guys high contrived for Jesus to be exchanged for Barabbas.They gave Pilate evidence that JC was part of the zealot movement and was a would be king.Jesus was on the cross he was offered poison to drink to end it all, but refuses.By 3pm the pain is unbearable and he takes the wine laced with poison and looses consciousness...but he aint dead.John says that Blood came from a wound in his side:CLUE: a dead body dont bleed.The Jews tell Pilate that its contrary to Law to have the bodies hung out overnight.So pilate agrees to change the excution to being buried alive.All 3 guys are put into a cave.It was thought that Jesus was dead, but the others were alive and to prevent their escape their legs are broken (?).But Jesus mates realise he aint dead and they put 100 pounds of myrrh and aloes in his grave clothes...to expell the poison from his body.One of the Zealots sitting in the cave with him, pours the juice into his mouth...he recovers.
Mary Magdalene comes to the cave ans sees that the men had managed to roll back the big rock blocking the cave a little.Mary goes and gets help, and Jesus later apears before some of his supporters then goes into a monastic life but still guides the others at times.

So......Angela Lansberry, eat your heart out!

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It's the End of the World

by waiting in

hey, remember?????.

posted by inquiring mind on august 19, 1996 at 14:25:07:.

humming a haunting melody.

Zep

Yeah, Thats the old REM song!

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Are JW's really seperate from the world?

by Andyman in

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friends

i have done alot of posting on different boards since i started on the internet.

i have found that jw's are really not as "seperate" from the world as they claim to be.. as a jw i was told we had to be "seperate" from the world.

you know, get drunk, use drugs, abuse our families, cheat on taxes, lie, be greedy, etc.. but from what i have seen in my old congregtion, and the stories i have read here and on other boards, this statement isn't really true.

Zep

As a JW I was told we had to be "seperate" from the world. We weren't supposed to do the things that worldly people did. You know, get drunk, use drugs, abuse our families, cheat on taxes, lie, be greedy, etc.

Thats they the image put over in yer Magazines.Its just bollocks though, people are people.I've met a few dubs that are as worldy as they come, drugs, sex...etc.A Double life, i think its called eh!

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True, or FAlse?

by Andyman in

jw
friends

i am sure most of you have seen the following quote form the wbts's pr site:.

"do you shun former members?.

those who simply cease to be involved in the faith are not shunned.

Zep

Are you aware of barabra's stuff Seven?.She's Australian, i didn't think she was that well know outside OZ.
The book i'm reading is actually putting both sides of the story, sort of?.....its theory really, i wouldn't jump to believe it, its just a theory.She reckons that Christianity sprung out of the Qumram sect or Essenses...of which used the used the Pesher techinque a lot, and who thought the OT was full of hidden messages meant for them specifically.
Radio Carbon dating is inconculsive, it could fall anywhere between 75 AD and 175bc......She makes a fair argument, but i dont buy it, its just interesting THEORY!

handwriting tests put them mostly in the 1st and 2nd centuries B.C.

Hmmmm, she says thats wrong...it more the 1st century AD

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True, or FAlse?

by Andyman in

jw
friends

i am sure most of you have seen the following quote form the wbts's pr site:.

"do you shun former members?.

those who simply cease to be involved in the faith are not shunned.

Zep

i find Mat24 luke 21 & Mark13 a real headache and not straightforward at all.I get the impression from reading them, that the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the world
Zep: I’ll hazard a guess and say that the greatest biblical scholars of all time have faced a similar dilemma.

Did you ever resolve it Solid?, your Christian arn't you?.I'm reading too much atheistic stuff lately...i'm reading at moment the 'Riddle of the dead sea scrolls'...dealing with Barbara Thering's ideas on the Qumram sect and Christianity and pesher writing in the Gospel and all that stuff. You might
remember her, she caused a big sh't stir back 1990 with her ideas when her documentary when to air on the ABC, caused the church & christians to get all outraged.
Man, If anything has Pesher techique(hidden meanings) its MAT 24, i cant make any real sense of it otherwise....but then again, i sure cant understand all the double meanings Dubs come up with in relation to it either.'Confusing' is the word to use no doubt, when you read "the Sign".

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True, or FAlse?

by Andyman in

jw
friends

i am sure most of you have seen the following quote form the wbts's pr site:.

"do you shun former members?.

those who simply cease to be involved in the faith are not shunned.

Zep

On arguing, I do get frustrated when persons do not comprehend a fallacious approach, but then at some point in time that was true of us all.

Your right, that happens with everyone Friend, its the nature of MSG boards.Its not like talking to someone in person, where you can quickly correct mis-conceptions etc.Its too easy to go off on tangents on these boards and get lost in an argument to the point where the original argument is forgotten.The only way to get around it, i find, is to let things sit for a day or two and write an essay to express your views....but its hard to find the time to do that and by the time your done it the whole mood of BB has changed and a new topic is up and your just left behind sucking your thumb.This is kinda the way i feel now, i want to reply to above post about the sign and all...but its just such a huge topic, i find Mat24 luke 21 & Mark13 a real headache and not straightforward at all.I get the impression from reading them, that the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the world are are intrinsically linked, but i dont want to accuse JC of being a false prophet or the Bible of being a fraud, dont like the idea.They are just very confusing chpters to me and i just haven't resolved them in my mind to my satisfaction.
On shunning, i put up the link of an interesting article, it raised some valid points, you might want to take a look...should be under Articles and commentaries at www.xjw.com.I dont think the Dub line on shunning is human or justifiable biblically really...but if it is biblical, then i just cant accept the bible...simple as that.
As for JW just pushing the bible, well, i'd have no problem if they just came to the door selling the bible itself, but they are doing more than that, they're pushing a particular interpretation as Truth... a biased interpretation that i cant accept, let alone push to others. For me to accept them they are going to have to let go of a lot of that dogmatism they have on certain issues and allow people to freely express views and opinions on a wider range of biblical matters.They can still have their core tenets or dogmatic truths like, the resurrection, the holy trinity is bogus etc...but on things like the end of the world they should be very careful, as too with blood and shunning...There should be a freer range of expression on these issues, an open dialogue between members and others. People, when they come to your door shouldn't have to parrot what the FDS say on everything all the time....its annoying. Talking to people who don't have many ideas of their own is very dull.

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True, or FAlse?

by Andyman in

jw
friends

i am sure most of you have seen the following quote form the wbts's pr site:.

"do you shun former members?.

those who simply cease to be involved in the faith are not shunned.

Zep

Friend, i get the impression that your a real society man at times, that you believe they are Gods chosen or however else you want to phrase it.You seem to be subtly defending them most times, like your a real believer. On the blood issue though, your different, your quit forthright that the society is wrong there.But you did say once from memory, that their pasts policies on blood were "understandable"?.For me, i could never make light of their past policies by saying it was understandable!.They were just wrong, very wrong in my mind.

Its just my impression of you, that your more for the Society than against, and that you hold them in high esteem, higher than you care to mention here.So..Straight up, what do you really believe, how do you really see your society and its major docrines like 1914 and the whole revelation bit, and DFing, its history etc, what makes you stick with them? are they the Truth or what in your eye?.How do you see opposers of the WT, who have them labelled a high control "cult" ???????????

Just curious?

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