Posts by Zep

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Ho Hum, just another JW sex abuse case

by Dubby in

25 years ago

judge blasts church over sex offences .

by michele tydd .

a wollongong judge yesterday launched a scathing attack on the jehovah's.

11 years ago

Zep 25 years ago

I still can't figure out why new blood cards with wording to reflect the new changes haven't been issued, as well as detailed meetings in the halls explaining of the change to inform the members.

Path, thats easy...they know they have to change but they dont want to suffer the consequences of that change.They want to change but at the same time keep the members in the dark in relation to that change.Its like the "this generation", they changed that...but if you read the change in the WT, its not very clear.Actually I have a friend still being taught the OLD light concerning the generation thing and i was told this is not uncommon at all...The society has been very wishy washy about informing people.What about those Hemophiliacs in the 70's...the society made some changes concering some product but from memory didn't inform the members properly till 3 years later...its a joke, totally dishonest.

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Modern-day Israel's Identity

by Onetruesource in

25 years ago

i would like to open this discussion on israel, because i have come to learn many things about it.

the bible scriptures continue to prophecy about the nation of israel.

we all know that the natural nation has been disowned by jehovah, because unfaithfulness.

15 years ago

Zep 25 years ago

Yeah OTS, and just how is the book of revelation talking about JW's then?

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Ho Hum, just another JW sex abuse case

by Dubby in

25 years ago

judge blasts church over sex offences .

by michele tydd .

a wollongong judge yesterday launched a scathing attack on the jehovah's.

11 years ago

Zep 25 years ago

Frankly, it is easy to see how the Society initially adopted the view it did regarding blood transfusion

A Fear of the new, a fear of the world, a sense of paranoia about everything...that Satan is everywhere.And an obessessive desire to prove to themselves and others that they are unique and Gods chosen by being overly scrupulous in regard to scripture, like the Pharisee's...Like those snake handlers in the south!.Religious people are just plain crazy sometimes.

Nevertheless, by now the Society should have corrected what has become realized as a seriously flawed teaching, one that probably represents the most tangible threat to its existence.

They're in a bit of a catch 22 arn't they friend?.How do they revoke the blood policy and exlain their back down to all those who have lost loved ones?.How do they revoke the blood policy and not loose members, people will loose faith in them when/if they do it for sure.Then again, how do they hold onto the policy with the Blood reform movement getting bigger and bigger, and more and more people seeing it for what it is...A crock.
The blood policy is probably the one thing the wider community moreorless understands about JW teaching...its turns them off JW's right away.Want to refute JW's to a layman...just tell him about the blood policy, its a sure winner 99.9% of the time.

Edited by - Zep on 8 August 2000 22:15:58

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Modern-day Israel's Identity

by Onetruesource in

25 years ago

i would like to open this discussion on israel, because i have come to learn many things about it.

the bible scriptures continue to prophecy about the nation of israel.

we all know that the natural nation has been disowned by jehovah, because unfaithfulness.

15 years ago

Zep 25 years ago

All that stuff about Jehovah estabishing his throne with David to time indefinite and all the rest it, you know that stuff Solid...From memory there was one statement in the bible that alluded to the fact that Israel would never be destroyed or dominated by another nation after the 70yr prophecy of Jeremiah...it never happened, they were always under the dominion of other nations after then...and they did get destroyed in 70CE...though they're back now!

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Ho Hum, just another JW sex abuse case

by Dubby in

25 years ago

judge blasts church over sex offences .

by michele tydd .

a wollongong judge yesterday launched a scathing attack on the jehovah's.

11 years ago

Zep 25 years ago

Theres some dodgy doctors/psychiatrists out there...and social workers too.What about that case in the US...was it the called the "dirty dozen" or "little rascal" case?...anway a whole town went up on child abuse charges because some social workers wouldn't take the kids word for it that they weren't abused."no" really meant "yes"...theres been a few cases like this.Then you have something called False memory syndrome, which does happen...vunerable women go to some doctor who tries to elicit thoughts from them that they were sexually abuse when young.One case i remember was on a show called "the times" down here..it had to do with 2 sisters who were Jehovah witnesses and who went to the same doctor and then both started having memories of being abused by this particular witness who was a family friend. So they confronted him and he just called them crazy...then they went to the Elders and they just said "where are your 2 witnesses"....pretty insensitive like!!!.The story didn't mention anything about False memories but I was a little suss to the fact that they were attending the same doctor and then suddenly both start having memories of being abused?.Who knows?

Edited by - Zep on 8 August 2000 3:46:12

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Disfellowshipping, again

by somebody in

25 years ago

i'm trying to gather every scripture used to imply that the practice of disfellowshipping among christians is scriptual.

please notice that i did not say "to imply that the "idea" is scriptual, but the "practice".

any input would be of help.

25 years ago

Zep 25 years ago

cigarretes are hard to give up, damn hard!.DFing someone for smoking is only going to stress someone out even more, and make the habit worse....really!

Drug users, well, not all are bad people in actuality...and there are gradients of use.Some are really messed up and addicted, what do you do...kick them out, now thats Christian love for you! That'll help a real lot!

Alchoholics, i've known a fair few...its an addiction, a real lifetime problem.A friend of mine tried to commit suicide a few months ago while boozed out of his head, he's alcoholic!.He wouldn't last long in KH i feel.Another friend who is also alchoholic( i know few) hasn't drunk a drop since 91...but he's obessed in other ways now. Alchoholics have an obsessive personality, they go from one obsession to another...they give up booze, take up gambling and chain smoking etc.Yeah but kick them out, they're scum of the earth.The people that most need help, kick them out, yeah , now that really makes sense!.All i can say is there are many REAL CHRISTIAN organizations out there DOING something for people like this, they dont turn their backs.The friend i mentioned earlier wouldn't have given up booze if it hadn't been for the Salvation Army, who are actually doing practical things within society rather than talking about fire and brimstone and handing out trashy magazines!.

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HORNED WILD BEASTS AND STUFF

by Zep in

25 years ago

this really hasn't got anything to do with sex, but i figure if you can have a masterbation thread in the bible research forum, why not bible research in the sex forum...besides, its groovey down here and bible study is such a turn on sometimes!.

luke refers to the gentile times, when jerusalem will be trampled until the times of the gentiles shall be complete.this is 607bce to 1914.

" jerusalem" here refers not to literal jerusalem, though you wouldn't know it from reading luke if the wt hadn't told you, but actually refers to "spiritual" or symbolic jerusalem..so the trampling should stop in 1914.well.....according to them(wt) the trampling does but it doesn't.. rev11:2....they holy city will be trampled on underfoot for 42 months....this is from 1914-1918...so the trampling of jerusalem stops in 1914, but at the same time also continues past 1914 to 1918 according to the wt.....what do the witnesses or russelites do during this peroid, well its supposed to be a peroid of persecution, thats why jerusalem is trampled...well, it must have been some peroid of persecution because while all this trampling is going on they are doing this:.

25 years ago

Zep 25 years ago

i'm 28...15???yeah well, i just kid round too much on the Net, its my internet persona,i'm different in real life believe it or not, i can be serious and mature...ot out of my realm.Yep, shes got a ring, moreorless, though engagement really means little these days....i dont take it too seriously myself.My brothers been engaged twice, has a kid to one...each engagment lasted no more than 4 months from memory!.I've been engaged 2...its more a convenience than anything.Its probably as far as it will go....i dont know?.Doubt i'll go down the isle for a long time yet, if ever really!

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The Tale of Five Officers

by waiting in

25 years ago

the tale of the five officers (2000) by mark.

i. vuletic.

when ms. k. was slowly raped and murdered by a common thug over the course of one hour and 55 minutes, in plain sight of five fully-armed off-duty police officers who ignored her terrified cries for help and instead just looked on until the act was carried to it's gruesome end, i found myself facing a personal crisis.

25 years ago

Zep 25 years ago

Waiting, the problem of evil & suffering...its too hard, theres no real answer.I went off on a tangent...with my last post BTW, it was a different issue totally!

What does not kill me etc......isn't supposed to be taken literally, its just a way of rationalizing your own stuation, its not a dogma or observable truth, just a philosophy on life.

That God would define rape as Good, i don t get that, thats just bollocks...contrary to a loving God.Thats just an excuse to me, weasel logic!

OK, on evil and suffering, you could just say its a big mystery and humanity hasn't got the understanding or insight to know why, and leave it at that...which isn't an answer, just dodging the issue really!.But thats the only why you can look at it, i suppose!.Just accept that there is somehow meaning behind suffering and death and that God has his reasons...and just get on with life!.Thats how i look at things!

I dont know!, i like the way Buddhists rationalize the world...everything is just karma and working to Nirvana(buddhist heaven).

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HORNED WILD BEASTS AND STUFF

by Zep in

25 years ago

this really hasn't got anything to do with sex, but i figure if you can have a masterbation thread in the bible research forum, why not bible research in the sex forum...besides, its groovey down here and bible study is such a turn on sometimes!.

luke refers to the gentile times, when jerusalem will be trampled until the times of the gentiles shall be complete.this is 607bce to 1914.

" jerusalem" here refers not to literal jerusalem, though you wouldn't know it from reading luke if the wt hadn't told you, but actually refers to "spiritual" or symbolic jerusalem..so the trampling should stop in 1914.well.....according to them(wt) the trampling does but it doesn't.. rev11:2....they holy city will be trampled on underfoot for 42 months....this is from 1914-1918...so the trampling of jerusalem stops in 1914, but at the same time also continues past 1914 to 1918 according to the wt.....what do the witnesses or russelites do during this peroid, well its supposed to be a peroid of persecution, thats why jerusalem is trampled...well, it must have been some peroid of persecution because while all this trampling is going on they are doing this:.

25 years ago

Zep 25 years ago

Oh!...combat boots, very erotic! hmmmm!

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The Tale of Five Officers

by waiting in

25 years ago

the tale of the five officers (2000) by mark.

i. vuletic.

when ms. k. was slowly raped and murdered by a common thug over the course of one hour and 55 minutes, in plain sight of five fully-armed off-duty police officers who ignored her terrified cries for help and instead just looked on until the act was carried to it's gruesome end, i found myself facing a personal crisis.

25 years ago

Zep 25 years ago

Waiting, yeah, i remember reading something like that awhile back.Dont know where?

Evil and suffering & the existence of God is a big problem, i cant rationalize it totally.I just look at it like this....I saw a 13yr kid get hit by a semi 4 months ago...The thought that his life was meaningless crept into my head for a second and would why God let it happen, maybe God doesn't exist.I couldn't hold the thought for long, it was too much.I couldn't acknowledge that his life was that meaningless.
My aunty died of cancer 2 years ago, she was yellow and almost gangrous last time i went to hospital, and again the thought that her life was that meaningless was too much.I had to beleive in something better....she did in the end, saw a bright light, probably just hallucinating like in the film with J.Travolta where he has psychic powers, but dont tell that to my father or his brothers that, they had to believe something better to!
People like to label belief in God a weakness, which is bull.It can be a real strength, just because it may be so absurd logically doesn't make it a weakness of character....though some Ego driven athiests like to think it does, some are just so rapped up in their intellectual power, the belief in God is for the mentally retarded to them.Their God is "logic"
I doubt my aunty, if she was "resuscitated" as put in that story, would take away one bit of her suffering...i've heard a few cancer patients who recover say the same thing, and that they learnt a lot about themselves during that peroid.Whether God exists or not, i dont know and dont care....God, most probably is just a way of rationalizing suffering, to give meaning to life...i think thats fine and great and not a weakness at all.Sometimes its good to delude yourself, cultivate irrational thoughts...believe in fairytales!

I like thinking of things in these terms:

WHat does not kill me makes me stronger!

Its not so much suffering that is the problem, more so the meaningless of suffering!

Neitzsche(was an atheist BTW)

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