Friend Mat 24 etc are a real headache...so many different angle to come at it from.
On the point as to whether the destruction of Jerusalem was made before or after the event.I think it was moreorless made before....because Jesus uses a more vague term in 'the disgusting thing that causes desolation' in Mark and Mat....but luke i think was refined after the event, since it describes 'encamped Armies'...as if Luke had seen and experienced it!.
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by Friend inthe following was originally written as part of a response to criticisms against the belief that the synoptic gospel contains jesus' answer for a sign of his parousia that is realized today.
some of the language is then necessarily a bit unusual because of the originally intended audience.
lately this subject has come up in other circles so i chose to also post the comments to this forum.
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Jesus' Answer for a Sign
by Friend inthe following was originally written as part of a response to criticisms against the belief that the synoptic gospel contains jesus' answer for a sign of his parousia that is realized today.
some of the language is then necessarily a bit unusual because of the originally intended audience.
lately this subject has come up in other circles so i chose to also post the comments to this forum.
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1. Have Jesus' words found fulfillment or potential for fulfillment in our day?
I dont know?...how big is Chrisianity in places like China and Iran and Iraq...all the muslim nations etc?.Everything is fine in the west...moreorless, the bible is everywhere but what about these places.I get the impression there is still a lot of work to be done?.Have Dubs broken into China yet?, i saw map of the world and it has a red dot for each country that JW are active...it was missing from China.The magazine was printed in the 80's though!
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Modern-day Israel's Identity
by Onetruesource ini would like to open this discussion on israel, because i have come to learn many things about it.
the bible scriptures continue to prophecy about the nation of israel.
we all know that the natural nation has been disowned by jehovah, because unfaithfulness.
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Oh well, Frenchy, you know...i have to give Dubs credit where credit is due.I always thought $4:95 for a bible and a few books was pretty cheap...but these guys, charging 16:95 and no web site???? hmmm!....These guys dont have a web site because they have bigger plans and to put all their stuff on the web would deprive them of income and destroy the designs they have of one day running their own break away cult maybe!
I mean its so simply with these religious people...1874: christ fails to show up physically so he must have returned invisibly ...1878: the saints fail to resurrect, oh, it must have happened invisibly...1914 he fails to show up again..oh 1914 must actually be when he returned invisibly...and so it goes...till you come to the realization of all those errors...I mean were do you go from there?.. AH, but all those errors, they were actually fortold in the bible because JW's are REALLY Gods chosen, they're just in a disapproved state, but soon, they are to be resurrected with the report guys running the show all according to bible prophecy.Rationalise and re-interpret over and over, thats all they do! -
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by Onetruesource ini would like to open this discussion on israel, because i have come to learn many things about it.
the bible scriptures continue to prophecy about the nation of israel.
we all know that the natural nation has been disowned by jehovah, because unfaithfulness.
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Mat 7:6...See Frenchy i'm swine, they know this because they can read my heart...so its only right that these 'report' guys hide their light from the world and people like me.You see, swine like me ask too many questions...so we dont deserve answers!...except for lamo ones like..."oh They use Jehovahs name"....yeah that proves a real lot!
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Modern-day Israel's Identity
by Onetruesource ini would like to open this discussion on israel, because i have come to learn many things about it.
the bible scriptures continue to prophecy about the nation of israel.
we all know that the natural nation has been disowned by jehovah, because unfaithfulness.
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http://www.hourglass2.org/wwwboard/messages/271513.html
I think AF said it all!...crackpots!
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Modern-day Israel's Identity
by Onetruesource ini would like to open this discussion on israel, because i have come to learn many things about it.
the bible scriptures continue to prophecy about the nation of israel.
we all know that the natural nation has been disowned by jehovah, because unfaithfulness.
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bjc Hasn't got a clue Frenchy.
See, OTS comes on here and starts claiming JW's are actually still fulfilling bible prophecy in spite of all their errors.They are just in a disapproved state, but the bible is still referring to them, they are special in this repect....this is a big call.He then subtly tries to implicate Carl Olof Jonsson with 'the report'...trying to give it more credibility....this is just BS, and probably a complete misquote of what COJ said, if he said anything.I mean, i'm 'interested' in JW's...but i think they are completely bogus as an organization.
See, OTS and company make a big claim in that JW's are Gods people...and the proof he offers is that they use the name 'Jehovah'...and thats it.Apparently theres more but you have to send away for the book.If they were really genuine they would have a web site where you can view some of their views more indepth...but no, all they offer is a laim argument that JW's are using Jehovahs name and that therefore means they are 'modern Israel'.See, with the GENTILE TIMES RECONSIDERED by COJ...i can go to numerous sites and analyse to a degree the arguments and then decide if i want to buy the book.COJ, numerous times has expounded upon his views on h20....these REPORT guys however are just secretive, they offer you nothing to mull over except some lame defense and then ask you to go buy the book....for 16:95$ without even a hint of whats in it.My guess is it was probably written by Dr Suess and is about 10 pages long printed a PC and stapled together.If they want credibility they should put or shut up.But all they have done is throw a few bible verses round, trying to imply that 'my heart isn't right'...and ask everyone to buy a book without having a clue about whats in it!.They must think people here were born last week!Edited by - Zep on 14 August 2000 0:21:17
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New light?
by Maxee inwhat scripture if any is the organisation using now to validate the changes they have made regarding new light?
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has anyone heard any more on this and do all the brothers and sisters now know about the changes.. just curious
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They use Proverbs 4:18 a lot dont they?, its really amazing!...because Proverbs 4:19 could equally apply, in fact its far more apt.
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Modern-day Israel's Identity
by Onetruesource ini would like to open this discussion on israel, because i have come to learn many things about it.
the bible scriptures continue to prophecy about the nation of israel.
we all know that the natural nation has been disowned by jehovah, because unfaithfulness.
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OTS etc..
You guys are Crackpots, arn't you!....and COJ doesn't give a flip about your book does he now!...be honest, c'mon!
So anyway, Why dont you post 'the report' on the web for all to see, afterall, salvation shouldn't cost anything...let alone 16:95$....
Edited by - Zep on 13 August 2000 18:23:5
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Modern-day Israel's Identity
by Onetruesource ini would like to open this discussion on israel, because i have come to learn many things about it.
the bible scriptures continue to prophecy about the nation of israel.
we all know that the natural nation has been disowned by jehovah, because unfaithfulness.
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That changes everything. That shows you never really new the truth. You never had the faith. You should have because Jehovah used them as a dragnet to find his sheep. Sorry you never responded.
I should have huh!
As i said, because they CHOOSE to use the NAME JEHOVAH proves nothing...People who CHOOSE to handle snakes in the south think that proves they are Gods Chosen, so what!.I'm not sure that the Bible is Gods word or just mans.Modern Israel huh?...who says 'modern israel' has to be obervable today, maybe it hasn't arrived!, maybe its centuries down the track, maybe never?.If they(jw) are the true source as you seem to claim then lets see them produce the fruits...because they haven't produced Squat to warrant peoples trust and the label 'THE TRUTH'....until they produce some reasonable proof/fruits here is 10 good reasons they dont deserve a second glance by anyone
[url] http://home.online.no/~jansh/wteng/tenreasons.htm[/url]
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Modern-day Israel's Identity
by Onetruesource ini would like to open this discussion on israel, because i have come to learn many things about it.
the bible scriptures continue to prophecy about the nation of israel.
we all know that the natural nation has been disowned by jehovah, because unfaithfulness.
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OTS...i haven't belittled Gods name at all.I'm saying that simly because they (JW's) have decided to use the Name Jehovah means nothing, proves nothing.It doesn't prove God gave them that right, it doesn't prove that they are Gods chosen.It simply means they have chosen to use his name, and to then to quote it as proof that they are modern Israel like you have done is mad....You said i've belittled Jehovahs name, REALLY!...then what have JW's done to it...false prophecy after false prophecy...lie after lie...and all while under the bander of his name. If ive belittled it, then they destroyed it!
Ever thought that Modern Israel hasn't come yet BTW.Also, your assertion that because Dubs are better than all other religions because they have a better understanding of the Truth(which i'd dispute) means that they are the Way and the Light is simply laughable...it means squat.Its not how they measure up to others but how they measure up to Gods word, they fail miserably here!...did you check my link huh?
What made me become a Dub....I didn't, i had an association.What interested me in their stuff?....its was their 1914 stuff, their 1914 lies...i believed lies!.I didn't research enough and i trusted their assertions too much, but i was young!.